EPT[MDL] Winter 2015 Groupstage - Page 65
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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goody153
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On January 27 2016 23:54 Kipsate wrote: I went away and I came back and secret died wut the next time they die i'm blaming you man | ||
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mutantmagnet
United States3791 Posts
On January 27 2016 23:53 Taf the Ghost wrote: The max Net Worth differential for Newbee was 10k. Something like 8k of that was Chaun compared to ppd & Fear. The net worth was in the wrong place. This is an excellent point. It's not terrible for Lina to get farmed but other heroes needed to be delivering the 12 killing blows he racked up early. | ||
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
Chinese strongly believe in grouping up, 1 key kill into objectives. They pride themselves in being able to engage or hunt effectively. Western teams believe in aggressive farming all over the map. Even if they die, they often have farmed more than they loss, especially when their other cores are farming while the opponent sends the whole squad to kill. They look to hit a certain late game farm window. Chinese supports believe in protecting cores by being near them. Numbers advantage makes it difficult to gank the cores. Western supports believe in protecting cores by simply drawing the enemy towards them instead of the cores. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 27 2016 23:51 Taf the Ghost wrote: Top 3 of Newbee only ever got maybe 5k ahead of EG's top 3 after one bad team fight. EG could then get their farm on. Newbee just got out to a much better lead than EG should have allowed. But EG's cores were always getting farm. You're reporting symptoms, not the disease Newbee balled up as 5 looking for kills and t2s, never graduating past that to getting chip damage on t3s Their pacing for killing t2s was acceptable (a little slow imo) but they completely failed to use their highly bulky cores combined with the incredible disengage potential from their aegises, aoe stuns, and aoe slows to safely deal chip damage to t3s They simply lack discipline, confidence, and game vision: one of those three is enough to push through their advantage and win Saying that Fear and PPD are the only ones down on farm is bluntly ignorant, because it completely fails to recognize the huge disparity in power lent to each team by their supports up to about 40 minutes in This is not just a game of cores | ||
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LethalBacon
Spain355 Posts
On January 27 2016 23:59 SatsuinoHado wrote: Im loving this Alliance vs Mineski game, oops sorry Secret vs Mineski :D Lol I've been thinking about that the whole game, it seems like these EU teams now are a little bit Alliance wannabes with these drafts | ||
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CxWiLL
China830 Posts
And even though 2Lei plays well, but not even a single point on the poison can be the reason why their lanes get out pushed all the time. | ||
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babysimba
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On January 28 2016 00:01 LethalBacon wrote: Lol I've been thinking about that the whole game, it seems like these EU teams now are a little bit Alliance wannabes with these drafts Most of the games are just Alliance drafts and from time to time some signature heroes for players in the team like EE Ember cant wait for the Major :D | ||
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spudde123
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Kamisamanachi
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goody153
44260 Posts
On January 28 2016 00:04 Kamisamanachi wrote: secret picked spectre and LD which are 2 of the best heroes this patch makes them alliance wannabees now? lmao It's the LD offlane and farming core for the safelane carry. If you said secret picked LD i would expect envy or w33ha to play the hero but i think 3 games today has been like that kinda like how alliance does 2 farming cores + 1 dude who creates space. In this case w33ha playing invoker and puck mostly w33ha and envy creating space. uhm it's kinda signature playstyle by alliance On January 28 2016 00:04 spudde123 wrote: Group B is pretty crazy for tomorrow. Mineski is guaranteed 5th but otherwise the positions are wide open. Secret for example is guaranteed 1st with a 2-0 over coL, but they may be 4th if they lose 0-2. wait they are not playing coL today? | ||
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SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On January 28 2016 00:04 Kamisamanachi wrote: secret picked spectre and LD which are 2 of the best heroes this patch makes them alliance wannabees now? lmao AND puck and first phase picking LD ye I can call them copying the wining strategies of Alliance. Why are not VG or LGD doing first phase LD and Spectre and manage to win... | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 28 2016 00:01 CxWiLL wrote: Newbee should push as soon as Mu finish his heart, they should be able to rip the high ground towers with illusions only by then. And even though 2Lei plays well, but not even a single point on the poison can be the reason why their lanes get out pushed all the time. In many situations it is acceptable to think of this in terms of "push," but not this game Here is what top teams do to secure their advantage, and what Newbee did not do 1. Use smokes to terrorize the enemy team AND put up wards, gaining critical vision that makes 2 and 3 safe 2. Use either highly mobile cores or your supports to push side lanes 3. Group up and take t2s or Roshan, wasting no time and moving decisively from objective to objective 4. If side lanes are pushed, go back to 2 until you have a good position again 5. Once you have aegis and a clear path to the enemy base, move up and deal chip damage for usually 2 waves (aegis unnecessary if you have fantastic rescue or a hero like DK) 6. Keep doing the whole lane-pushing chip-damage thing until you break t3s, and then use that lane to force enemy movement 7. At every point, deny enemy vision and use ganks with no more than 3 heroes to quickly shut down enemy farming attempts Adjust slightly depending on how good the enemy team's high ground defense is relative to the tankiness of the SINGLE CORE which you send in front to push Newbee only understand base assault in terms of big all or nothing pushes, which is why they played so dumb and ultimately lost | ||
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goody153
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On January 28 2016 00:12 goody153 wrote: somebody tell me who won game 1 between newbee and eg ? liquipedia isn';t updated EG won. And yea the final series are moved for tomorrow because it's getting pretty late. | ||
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