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On January 27 2016 16:35 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:25 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:23 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:22 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:21 lolfail9001 wrote:
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OD vs QoP.
At least open your damn eyes. Not as bad of a match up as it's made out to be after the changes. If anything, the opposite. Before the changes it was acceptable and even QoP favored with some assist in ganking. Now... HA. You know how in order to steal intelligence, you now have to hit with your short ass range, while this opponent you're talking about has one of the longest range in the game? QoP? One of the longest range in the game? Not even "default ranged" 600 range, and she has to approach attack radius/astral radius to cast her dagger, ya know. Outworld Destroyer has 450 range. Level 1 dagger has 450 range. So? Who told you you had to use it at level 1? You start lane at level 3? I mean, you will survive until it on any hero but even then lvl2 dagger is 475 range. Or your master build against OD involves level 4 dagger by 7  ? You don't have to ever get hit by Outworld Destroyer in this match up until level 3, when he's actually able to reach you with his one disable. But as the standard Outworld Destroyer build is actually to max Q and E first, you don't EVER have to get hit by him unless you absolutely want to be. The match up isn't one where you're able to go in and get Outworld Destroyer to leave because the standard Outworld Destroyer build deals quite well with an offensive opponent. But it isn't a match up you ought to lose by level 6.
So you're the kind that can kite dragon lance-aghs Enchantress with Sniper (without dragon lance)? Because that's what 100 range difference is. If you can demonstrate that, then you can keep blabbling about not ever getting hit by 450 range hero as 550 range hero.
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universe lifestealer again
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On January 27 2016 16:35 Kipsate wrote:
I just checked liquipedia and the table in group b looks hilarious
oh yeah lol
group A also is kinda symmetric
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no idea what egs plan is here. as a diehard eg hater i hope they have no idea either.
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story of goblak drafts: Get chen,or all in vain
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On January 27 2016 16:37 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:35 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:25 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:23 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:22 Azarkon wrote:
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Not as bad of a match up as it's made out to be after the changes. If anything, the opposite. Before the changes it was acceptable and even QoP favored with some assist in ganking. Now... HA. You know how in order to steal intelligence, you now have to hit with your short ass range, while this opponent you're talking about has one of the longest range in the game? QoP? One of the longest range in the game? Not even "default ranged" 600 range, and she has to approach attack radius/astral radius to cast her dagger, ya know. Outworld Destroyer has 450 range. Level 1 dagger has 450 range. So? Who told you you had to use it at level 1? You start lane at level 3? I mean, you will survive until it on any hero but even then lvl2 dagger is 475 range. Or your master build against OD involves level 4 dagger by 7 ? You don't have to ever get hit by Outworld Destroyer in this match up until level 3, when he's actually able to reach you with his one disable. But as the standard Outworld Destroyer build is actually to max Q and E first, you don't EVER have to get hit by him unless you absolutely want to be. The match up isn't one where you're able to go in and get Outworld Destroyer to leave because the standard Outworld Destroyer build deals quite well with an offensive opponent. But it isn't a match up you ought to lose by level 6. So you're the kind that can kite dragon lance-aghs Enchantress with Sniper (without dragon lance)? Because that's what 100 range difference is. If you can demonstrate that, then you can keep blabbling about not ever getting hit by 450 range hero as 550 range hero.
Hey look, Arteezy/Sumail didn't even want to go middle against W33ha as Outworld Devourer. I wonder why that is, given how badly this hero wins all match ups.
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ppd is going to force Crit to show he can play Earth Spirit. In a Bo2 series, it's a good idea. And someone is going to have to start banning the Batrider.
EG with normal lane assignment for Arteezy/Universe when on Dire. So I wonder if the lane switch is going to be Radiant only.
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losing to naix is what og has come to
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On January 27 2016 16:44 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:35 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:25 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
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If anything, the opposite.
Before the changes it was acceptable and even QoP favored with some assist in ganking.
Now... HA. You know how in order to steal intelligence, you now have to hit with your short ass range, while this opponent you're talking about has one of the longest range in the game? QoP? One of the longest range in the game? Not even "default ranged" 600 range, and she has to approach attack radius/astral radius to cast her dagger, ya know. Outworld Destroyer has 450 range. Level 1 dagger has 450 range. So? Who told you you had to use it at level 1? You start lane at level 3? I mean, you will survive until it on any hero but even then lvl2 dagger is 475 range. Or your master build against OD involves level 4 dagger by 7 ? You don't have to ever get hit by Outworld Destroyer in this match up until level 3, when he's actually able to reach you with his one disable. But as the standard Outworld Destroyer build is actually to max Q and E first, you don't EVER have to get hit by him unless you absolutely want to be. The match up isn't one where you're able to go in and get Outworld Destroyer to leave because the standard Outworld Destroyer build deals quite well with an offensive opponent. But it isn't a match up you ought to lose by level 6. So you're the kind that can kite dragon lance-aghs Enchantress with Sniper (without dragon lance)? Because that's what 100 range difference is. If you can demonstrate that, then you can keep blabbling about not ever getting hit by 450 range hero as 550 range hero. Hey look, Arteezy/Sumail didn't even want to go middle against W33ha as Outworld Devourer. I wonder why that is, given how badly this hero wins all match ups.
Where, when?
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EG has taken their TI5 system of getting +2k farm ahead at 10 minutes to a slightly better level so far here at MDL Winter. hehe
And this is Day 1 EG. That's going to be scary going forward.
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This is pretty filthy by EG
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On January 27 2016 16:44 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:35 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:25 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
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If anything, the opposite.
Before the changes it was acceptable and even QoP favored with some assist in ganking.
Now... HA. You know how in order to steal intelligence, you now have to hit with your short ass range, while this opponent you're talking about has one of the longest range in the game? QoP? One of the longest range in the game? Not even "default ranged" 600 range, and she has to approach attack radius/astral radius to cast her dagger, ya know. Outworld Destroyer has 450 range. Level 1 dagger has 450 range. So? Who told you you had to use it at level 1? You start lane at level 3? I mean, you will survive until it on any hero but even then lvl2 dagger is 475 range. Or your master build against OD involves level 4 dagger by 7 ? You don't have to ever get hit by Outworld Destroyer in this match up until level 3, when he's actually able to reach you with his one disable. But as the standard Outworld Destroyer build is actually to max Q and E first, you don't EVER have to get hit by him unless you absolutely want to be. The match up isn't one where you're able to go in and get Outworld Destroyer to leave because the standard Outworld Destroyer build deals quite well with an offensive opponent. But it isn't a match up you ought to lose by level 6. So you're the kind that can kite dragon lance-aghs Enchantress with Sniper (without dragon lance)? Because that's what 100 range difference is. If you can demonstrate that, then you can keep blabbling about not ever getting hit by 450 range hero as 550 range hero. Hey look, Arteezy/Sumail didn't even want to go middle against W33ha as Outworld Devourer. I wonder why that is, given how badly this hero wins all match ups.
OD is bad against bkbs, and cannot flash farm, that is why some teams don't pick them.
By the way, Qop is doing much more than that OD after being so-called destoryed.
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On January 27 2016 16:49 CxWiLL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:44 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:35 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:25 Azarkon wrote:
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You know how in order to steal intelligence, you now have to hit with your short ass range, while this opponent you're talking about has one of the longest range in the game?
QoP? One of the longest range in the game? Not even "default ranged" 600 range, and she has to approach attack radius/astral radius to cast her dagger, ya know. Outworld Destroyer has 450 range. Level 1 dagger has 450 range. So? Who told you you had to use it at level 1? You start lane at level 3? I mean, you will survive until it on any hero but even then lvl2 dagger is 475 range. Or your master build against OD involves level 4 dagger by 7 ? You don't have to ever get hit by Outworld Destroyer in this match up until level 3, when he's actually able to reach you with his one disable. But as the standard Outworld Destroyer build is actually to max Q and E first, you don't EVER have to get hit by him unless you absolutely want to be. The match up isn't one where you're able to go in and get Outworld Destroyer to leave because the standard Outworld Destroyer build deals quite well with an offensive opponent. But it isn't a match up you ought to lose by level 6. So you're the kind that can kite dragon lance-aghs Enchantress with Sniper (without dragon lance)? Because that's what 100 range difference is. If you can demonstrate that, then you can keep blabbling about not ever getting hit by 450 range hero as 550 range hero. Hey look, Arteezy/Sumail didn't even want to go middle against W33ha as Outworld Devourer. I wonder why that is, given how badly this hero wins all match ups. OD is bad against bkbs, and cannot flash farm, that is why some teams don't pick them. By the way, Qop is doing much more than that OD after being so-called destoryed.
They did pick him. They just didn't put him middle.
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Outworld Devourer late game, yeah.
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Either way, Morph is not the best hero against OD, that was well known, so whatever.
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On January 27 2016 16:50 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:49 CxWiLL wrote:On January 27 2016 16:44 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:37 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:35 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:31 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:30 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:27 lolfail9001 wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 Azarkon wrote:On January 27 2016 16:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
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QoP? One of the longest range in the game?
Not even "default ranged" 600 range, and she has to approach attack radius/astral radius to cast her dagger, ya know. Outworld Destroyer has 450 range. Level 1 dagger has 450 range. So? Who told you you had to use it at level 1? You start lane at level 3? I mean, you will survive until it on any hero but even then lvl2 dagger is 475 range. Or your master build against OD involves level 4 dagger by 7 ? You don't have to ever get hit by Outworld Destroyer in this match up until level 3, when he's actually able to reach you with his one disable. But as the standard Outworld Destroyer build is actually to max Q and E first, you don't EVER have to get hit by him unless you absolutely want to be. The match up isn't one where you're able to go in and get Outworld Destroyer to leave because the standard Outworld Destroyer build deals quite well with an offensive opponent. But it isn't a match up you ought to lose by level 6. So you're the kind that can kite dragon lance-aghs Enchantress with Sniper (without dragon lance)? Because that's what 100 range difference is. If you can demonstrate that, then you can keep blabbling about not ever getting hit by 450 range hero as 550 range hero. Hey look, Arteezy/Sumail didn't even want to go middle against W33ha as Outworld Devourer. I wonder why that is, given how badly this hero wins all match ups. OD is bad against bkbs, and cannot flash farm, that is why some teams don't pick them. By the way, Qop is doing much more than that OD after being so-called destoryed. They did pick him. They just didn't put him middle.
Interesting
i thought we start the discussion with the QOP get beaten in mid by OD
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On January 27 2016 16:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Either way, Morph is not the best hero against OD, that was well known, so whatever.
And you think this is irrelevant to the fact that Chinese middle players are still playing heroes from three months ago?
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Also, i see decision to not put OD against Invoker paying off for EG here lmao.
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On January 27 2016 16:56 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2016 16:53 lolfail9001 wrote:
Either way, Morph is not the best hero against OD, that was well known, so whatever. And you think this is irrelevant to the fact that Chinese middle players are still playing heroes from three months ago?
Frankly yeah, because you are generalizing here since Super already played OD.
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Newbee still a terrible team.
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EPT
