EPT[Starladder] Season 13 LAN Finals Playoffs Day 1 - Page 65
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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GiveMeYourtTots
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goody153
44125 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:58 Talin wrote: I would call drafting Bat and Zeus for w33 an issue tbh His zeus was bad but his bat wasn't .. he doing ok .. he just had a difficult bat game , akke was on point in netting or stunning himm everytime he jumped and there was a VS which sucks | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:53 Alpino wrote: I dont. Secret had game 2 in the bag if they didnt overestimate oracle I mean, only if they were able to end the game in the next 5 mins (which I guess is possible) game 2 was a decent situation for secret, and they had potential but idk they underperformed that draft for sure games 1 and 3 imo were draft wins for alliance (game 3 was over at draft phase). anyone that thinks envy isn't a top carry player is bad honestly. w33 super underperformed again. I wonder if he'll be able to overcome the patch difficulties. | ||
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goody153
44125 Posts
half the time he talks with bias or trolling intent | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:59 goody153 wrote: His zeus was bad but his bat wasn't .. he doing ok .. he just had a difficult bat game , akke was on point in netting or stunning himm everytime he jumped and there was a VS which sucks But that's the kind of games you get when you pick Bat. Chen was always going to be picked if left in the pool anyway, and then there's a whole pool of anti-Bat 5s to pick from. s4 should also have had a bad Bat game, but he didn't, because he's a Bat player. w33 is just not a Bat player from everything we've seen from him so far. His decision making with the hero wasn't good at all either, ie that lasso on Venge that led into Secret being wiped at Rosh. He needs a farming/scaling core, not a hero that will roam around the map looking for a set up. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 16 2016 02:53 mordk wrote: I have a hard time understanding why EE has any fans at all EE has a very impressive working-from-the-bottom-by-his-own-power story, which a lot of people like I mean it's true, there are a lot of other people who have pushed themselves to the top through sheer force of will, but few of them have struggled as hard for it as EE he never displayed the raw talent of some of the shining stars at the top of the scene, he got into the scene late enough that there was a substantial challenge from existent teams (while older players have had the relative luxury of developing with the scene), he lost a team of future TI champions and had to rebuild from nothing, and despite all of this has managed to get to the top of the scene while at the same time bringing new players into high levels of play and innovating in many areas of the game nobody scouted him, nobody mentored him, what he has is entirely his own doing so that's basically why he's got a fanbase personally I respect him, but really dislike a lot of his playstyle, so I tend to fall outside any fandom (contrasted with how I love how s4 and ABD play the game, even if a lot of alliance's roster shenanigans are really kinda disgusting) | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
most dota 2 fans likes anime its seriously not that hard | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
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goody153
44125 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:06 Faruko wrote: EE likes anime most dota 2 fans likes anime its seriously not that hard I wish that was true then i would have liked illidan or zai that i would follow whatever team they are | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Also, the truly botched draft was S4's in game 1. Puck isn't a thing.  | ||
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noBode
Thailand439 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:03 Talin wrote: But that's the kind of games you get when you pick Bat. Chen was always going to be picked if left in the pool anyway, and then there's a whole pool of anti-Bat 5s to pick from. s4 should also have had a bad Bat game, but he didn't, because he's a Bat player. w33 is just not a Bat player from everything we've seen from him so far. His decision making with the hero wasn't good at all either, ie that lasso on Venge that led into Secret being wiped at Rosh. He needs a farming/scaling core, not a hero that will roam around the map looking for a set up. its a little more complicated then that. batrider does okay against zues when bat has full hp and is able to get 3 sticky napalms on the zues. At that point, zues is pretty much dead (especially with that s4 DD room). The bat could have been punished super easily if the LD wasn't in the game, but because it is it forces supports to focus on zoning him, containing him, and securing EE"s farm. Its really difficult to TP to mid to save zues without paying for it, and might not even save him before its too late. s4 dying was kinda bad, and w33 had the potential to snowball a little bit off of it, but s4 was smart, was able to get a lot of naplams on an out of position zues, and he was dead. im sure if w33 just bottle crowed and sat on his highground, he would have been fine however. the kind of movements he was doing is only worthwhile if you can roam ur oracle to save him and punish s4 trying to commit | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:03 Talin wrote: But that's the kind of games you get when you pick Bat. Chen was always going to be picked if left in the pool anyway, and then there's a whole pool of anti-Bat 5s to pick from. s4 should also have had a bad Bat game, but he didn't, because he's a Bat player. w33 is just not a Bat player from everything we've seen from him so far. He needs a farming/scaling core, not a hero that will roam around the map looking for a set up. gonna preface this by saying that I don't think w33's bat is particularly inspirational, just average and acceptable, certainly not an embarrassment but there was a lot more going on in that game than you make it out to be, with venge just being the start of the problem most of the trouble that w33 had, after that awful teamfight equalized the game, was due to his hero being very poorly supported in the draft, with the main problem being the inexplicable inclusion of brood brood is a very strong situational hero which wins lanes, denies safelane+jungle farm, and requires multiple heroes to be answered, which together allow the other two lanes to farm much harder: in general, you pick brood within a greedy draft in order to counter a greedy draft this was not what secret had in g2, however, with alliance's draft being greedy but without secret having any means of capitalizing on that greed with more greed since the secret cores were playmakers that come online early, and their supports were no-farm wonders, there was absolutely no reason that alliance needed to send their venge anywhere but top to counter the brood, meaning she never came online to severely restrict farm the result of this was that batrider suddenly had a ton of space to farm, but very little to do with it after the fact, because his team had no way to translate any pickoffs into objectives or momentum (broodmother is an anti-momentum hero for both sides) so what ended up happening was that everything that batrider did started to matter less and less, and he didn't have anything like global (or the power of a farming support) to offer extra support, not because w33's play was bad so much as because the draft failed to coalesce it's the very common predicament that, for example, CIS teams like na'vi and vega tend to find themselves in from time to time, where the entire draft focuses on ways of killing heroes but fails to look beyond that | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:13 Comeh wrote: its a little more complicated then that. batrider does okay against zues when bat has full hp and is able to get 3 sticky napalms on the zues. At that point, zues is pretty much dead (especially with that s4 DD room). The bat could have been punished super easily if the LD wasn't in the game, but because it is it forces supports to focus on zoning him, containing him, and securing EE"s farm. Its really difficult to TP to mid to save zues without paying for it, and might not even save him before its too late. s4 dying was kinda bad, and w33 had the potential to snowball a little bit off of it, but s4 was smart, was able to get a lot of naplams on an out of position zues, and he was dead. im sure if w33 just bottle crowed and sat on his highground, he would have been fine however. the kind of movements he was doing is only worthwhile if you can roam ur oracle to save him and punish s4 trying to commit w33 might have also have been overconfident because of s4's misplay that fed first blood | ||
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
s4 made some huge plays to get back on his feet, but he clearly was allowed to | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:20 Faruko wrote: i think against another mid or another zeus player the game might have gone completely different s4 made some huge plays to get back on his feet, but he clearly was allowed to He got 2 kills on w33 early on, one was legit (the DD one) the second one was just brain fart from w33. Staying uphill waiting for I dunno what... | ||
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Dysisa
Sweden2376 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
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goody153
44125 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:24 Faruko wrote: if s4 doesnt get that double kill or the kill alone on zeus, he was out of the game and his blink would have been about 3-4 minutes later (13-14 minutes), giving secret enough time. That early blink was so game winning. s4 was all over the place pulling people left and right. Man secret is out. I'm glad eg and TL are still in the tournament. At least i have teams i can cheer on tomorrow | ||
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