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misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3242 Posts
December 11 2015 03:43 GMT
#1061
Winter to carry a cast? Hm...
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 11 2015 03:43 GMT
#1062
Oh boy fng :3
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
December 11 2015 03:44 GMT
#1063
On December 11 2015 12:41 Vertical wrote:
I sense return of the Rhasta here
how many time has he been picked this tournament ?

and also return of mid Lina

Shadow Shaman picked 4 times banned once this tournament
33.3% pick/ban (across 15 games)
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
December 11 2015 03:44 GMT
#1064
Who's the Russian
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 11 2015 03:44 GMT
#1065
On December 11 2015 12:44 plasmidghost wrote:
Who's the Russian

FNG!
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-11 03:46:31
December 11 2015 03:45 GMT
#1066
On December 11 2015 12:41 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:38 goody153 wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:33 Dracolich70 wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:32 yookstah wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:31 Dracolich70 wrote:
PPD still fumbling around with EU picks and strats, trying to make his team play heroes they are not comfortable with, while not understanding strengths and weaknesses, and not choosing not to play into his teams strengths.

Next up, another split push strategy, that will fail, because they have no clue how to split push.


Sometimes, even in 'important' games, you experiment.
Yes, and this will be another one of PPD trying to analyze his mistakes and turn it into something that will work. Problem is that they still haven't found their style, nor master any other.

EG need to play more competitIve games; than they have. One thing is analyzing by others victories and failures, another is testing it themselves.

I'm confused to what you are trying to point out cause that's how figuring out works. Before Secret 2.0 became insanely good (pre-ti5 of course cause that was pre internal issues) they spent time trying to figure things out. EG also did spend time figuring out how to play before TI5 if you don't remember all those MLG get eliminated during group stages crap they've experienced
You are suggesting they should experiment in the few tournaments they actually play, while the meta evolves faster, and they are not bound to find their style this way either, because they just copy ideas of others.

Secret 2.0 didn't play all that much either. They have just won tournaments unlike EG, thus found a certain style.

Playing alot does not work for every team. PPD has mentioned this at one point that burn out is a thing.

LGD spent 3 months figuring out how to play, CDEC did too as well as all the other chinese teams. You just stressed out that it worked for Secret that's not just exclusive to secret man

OG has a different team dynamic than EG.
this is a quote
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
December 11 2015 03:46 GMT
#1067
On December 11 2015 12:44 Verniy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:41 Vertical wrote:
I sense return of the Rhasta here
how many time has he been picked this tournament ?

and also return of mid Lina

Shadow Shaman picked 4 times banned once this tournament
33.3% pick/ban (across 15 games)

sorry dude, he's forever Rhasta in my heart
YA, MAN !!!
-Terran-
Dracolich70
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark3820 Posts
December 11 2015 03:46 GMT
#1068
On December 11 2015 12:41 goody153 wrote:
FNG and Iceiceice cast boys

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:37 Dracolich70 wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:34 goody153 wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:31 Dracolich70 wrote:
PPD still fumbling around with EU picks and strats, trying to make his team play heroes they are not comfortable with, while not understanding strengths and weaknesses, and not choosing to play into his teams strengths.

Next up, another split push strategy, that will fail, because they have no clue how to split push.

in interviews they've said that they're trying to find their optimal playstyle

you have to experiment to figure out stuff
The problem being their lack of competitive games. OG for instance have 5 times the number of EG post TI. This way they will always be one or two steps behind, even when learning from other teams victories and failures.

Playing tourney's all the time doesn't always guarantee you'd do better. It varies from team to team, some methods work for some team some don't. Playing too much can also risk causing Burn-Out which EG already experienced before.

There was a time EG won everything back then even when they didn't scrim before and played less.
Back to EG, they are not finding their own style, nor get any synergetic style with Sumail and RTZs strengths, but trying to do catchup in just strategies, while not finding their own strategies that builds on their own strengths.

Yes, you can burn out. EG just play way too little, even if they learn a lot from analysing others.
LiangHao
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 11 2015 03:46 GMT
#1069
iceiceice winter wyvern offlane carry haha
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-11 03:47:56
December 11 2015 03:47 GMT
#1070
On December 11 2015 12:46 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:44 Verniy wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:41 Vertical wrote:
I sense return of the Rhasta here
how many time has he been picked this tournament ?

and also return of mid Lina

Shadow Shaman picked 4 times banned once this tournament
33.3% pick/ban (across 15 games)

sorry dude, he's forever Rhasta in my heart
YA, MAN !!!

as long as you don't say Lothar's it's fine with me

oh, and Lina picked 5 times banned 4 times
60.0% pick/ban
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
yookstah
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia655 Posts
December 11 2015 03:47 GMT
#1071
On December 11 2015 12:33 BluemoonSC wrote:
im pretty sure that everyone except rtz was playing a hero they've played on a bunch.

and theres no reason rtz shouldn't be able to play wraith king lol

Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:32 yookstah wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:31 Dracolich70 wrote:
PPD still fumbling around with EU picks and strats, trying to make his team play heroes they are not comfortable with, while not understanding strengths and weaknesses, and not choosing not to play into his teams strengths.

Next up, another split push strategy, that will fail, because they have no clue how to split push.


Sometimes, even in 'important' games, you experiment.


no, in important games you don't ever experiment that is not how competition works. i mean, sure it its possible for things to work out, but doing something you've not practiced is not wise.


How often in scrims do you think every team 'try hards'? Not much, right?

Best way to try different stuff sometimes is in matches. Spontaneity can be a blessing and/or a curse - it looks great when it succeeds but horrible when it fails.


"I'm saying that you are all the time aggressive. I say to you choose situations to be aggressive and not aggressive. I'm talking it" - Cooller
deathzz
Profile Joined September 2011
669 Posts
December 11 2015 03:48 GMT
#1072
On December 11 2015 12:47 Verniy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:46 Vertical wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:44 Verniy wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:41 Vertical wrote:
I sense return of the Rhasta here
how many time has he been picked this tournament ?

and also return of mid Lina

Shadow Shaman picked 4 times banned once this tournament
33.3% pick/ban (across 15 games)

sorry dude, he's forever Rhasta in my heart
YA, MAN !!!

as long as you don't say Lothar's it's fine with me

oh, and Lina picked 5 times banned 4 times
60.0% pick/ban

How about buying a guinsoo
Korean overlords
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
December 11 2015 03:48 GMT
#1073
On December 11 2015 12:46 Dracolich70 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:41 goody153 wrote:
FNG and Iceiceice cast boys

On December 11 2015 12:37 Dracolich70 wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:34 goody153 wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:31 Dracolich70 wrote:
PPD still fumbling around with EU picks and strats, trying to make his team play heroes they are not comfortable with, while not understanding strengths and weaknesses, and not choosing to play into his teams strengths.

Next up, another split push strategy, that will fail, because they have no clue how to split push.

in interviews they've said that they're trying to find their optimal playstyle

you have to experiment to figure out stuff
The problem being their lack of competitive games. OG for instance have 5 times the number of EG post TI. This way they will always be one or two steps behind, even when learning from other teams victories and failures.

Playing tourney's all the time doesn't always guarantee you'd do better. It varies from team to team, some methods work for some team some don't. Playing too much can also risk causing Burn-Out which EG already experienced before.

There was a time EG won everything back then even when they didn't scrim before and played less.
Back to EG, they are not finding their own style, nor get any synergetic style with Sumail and RTZs strengths, but trying to do catchup in just strategies, while not finding their own strategies that builds on their own strengths.

Yes, you can burn out. EG just play way too little, even if they learn a lot from analysing others.


Idk they may need to play abit more but if they need to experiment now then they should if it meant playing better in the long run.
this is a quote
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
December 11 2015 03:48 GMT
#1074
happy to see nyxnyxnyx getting picked
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
December 11 2015 03:49 GMT
#1075
Winter losing it
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
December 11 2015 03:49 GMT
#1076
On December 11 2015 12:48 deathzz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:47 Verniy wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:46 Vertical wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:44 Verniy wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:41 Vertical wrote:
I sense return of the Rhasta here
how many time has he been picked this tournament ?

and also return of mid Lina

Shadow Shaman picked 4 times banned once this tournament
33.3% pick/ban (across 15 games)

sorry dude, he's forever Rhasta in my heart
YA, MAN !!!

as long as you don't say Lothar's it's fine with me

oh, and Lina picked 5 times banned 4 times
60.0% pick/ban

How about buying a guinsoo


Guinsoo's Rageblade?
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 11 2015 03:49 GMT
#1077
this pro theorycraft
posting on liquid sites in current year
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
December 11 2015 03:50 GMT
#1078
ROFL
posting on liquid sites in current year
Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
December 11 2015 03:50 GMT
#1079
"can artour micro?"
icex3 asking the important questions
Heaven's Halberd is the most criminally underbought item in Dota. Together we can stop this.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44236 Posts
December 11 2015 03:51 GMT
#1080
guys i don't think that satyr can remove buffs/debuffs iirc

On December 11 2015 12:47 yookstah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2015 12:33 BluemoonSC wrote:
im pretty sure that everyone except rtz was playing a hero they've played on a bunch.

and theres no reason rtz shouldn't be able to play wraith king lol

On December 11 2015 12:32 yookstah wrote:
On December 11 2015 12:31 Dracolich70 wrote:
PPD still fumbling around with EU picks and strats, trying to make his team play heroes they are not comfortable with, while not understanding strengths and weaknesses, and not choosing not to play into his teams strengths.

Next up, another split push strategy, that will fail, because they have no clue how to split push.


Sometimes, even in 'important' games, you experiment.


no, in important games you don't ever experiment that is not how competition works. i mean, sure it its possible for things to work out, but doing something you've not practiced is not wise.


How often in scrims do you think every team 'try hards'? Not much, right?

Best way to try different stuff sometimes is in matches. Spontaneity can be a blessing and/or a curse - it looks great when it succeeds but horrible when it fails.




That's true why can't they practice on official matches. So many pros already said that official matches are the best practice cause most of the time nobody even tries their hardest on scrims
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