EPTOn December 10 2015 07:46 stuchiu wrote:
Could be worse, you could have been a C9 fan pre disband.
Could be worse, you could have been a C9 fan pre disband.
That's true
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Acritter
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On December 10 2015 07:49 SKC wrote: Yes. Because in most games its making little key mistakes every fight, and losing fights you should win, that actually lose you the game. I'm sorry, but you're just plain wrong. I mean, outright, no questions asked, completely and utterly incorrect about how you understand the game. The errors in question aren't even close to being on the same level. Any team that pushes high ground 15 minutes too early will lose the game almost all of the time. If you ever push too early, you are making a horrible mistake that you not only deserve to lose for, but most likely will. VP should have known it was too early, too. They were playing as a team with excellent pickoff and solid potential going into the lategame against a team with amazing teamfight that drops off sharply. They should have known that going for T3 pushes without Mek or Aegis was going to be suicidal. They got overconfident because they were getting to play their style of game out on the open map and followed up by making a critical strategic error. That is a throw. Popping BKB late? Clumsy, but not a throw. Dropping heroes because you try too hard to chase a TA? Foolish, but not a throw (mostly because Rosh was already dead). Putting down wards in an awful location and dumping too many resources to try and save your 4 position? Inexplicable, but not a throw. Being even or ahead and deliberately making a play that, if it goes wrong, will lose you all that you've worked for over the past twenty minutes as well as a lane of rax? That's a throw. | ||
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On December 10 2015 07:44 Dracolich70 wrote: They use this approach, as they can utilize powerful heroes, and what synergize with them, but that doesn't mean they are dependant on these patterns you describe. If Meepo and Huskar is removed as a threat, thus not banned/picked, it still leaves other heroes like Dazzle, Undying, Sladar, SF, Razor, Tusk, Wyvern, Tiny, IO, BM, Gyro, NP etc all heroes they have built around. Their style of play is not really designed around heroes, but they show they are versatile, and just use current heroes to achieve objectives. They have played in a variety of ways to achieve objectives. They have a vast pool, and a vast set of strategies, thus the least likely team to be affected by patch nerfs, or even game changing mechanics than any. You're merely stating heroes that they can play. They don't build around many of those heroes like brew beast razor, but utilize them as a response pick to complement the draft. They build around io, sf, tusk, undying, dazzle and ww. These heroes form the backbone of their drafts. Sf to powerfarm and be the main carry, undying to win lanes, ww/dazzle to sustain their 5man and make it hard to kill their cores, io for io combos, and early tusk pick for draft flexibility (option for moon or Cr1t to play). This is why they are 'limited' in their drafts, even though they seem to play a lot of heroes. They need those key ingredients. | ||
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[Edit] Heh | ||
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or is this wisp+gyro aggro lane? | ||
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On December 10 2015 08:10 CosmicSpiral wrote: CHAOS KNIGHT PLZ And Fng whispered No. | ||
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plasmidghost
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On December 10 2015 08:10 Daralii wrote: Chat keeps spamming that the patch notes are out, and I know they're lying, but I check anyway. Pit Lord released go check | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
If they picked a better lane support than Io, I would've wanted Silencer instead. :[ | ||
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On December 10 2015 08:02 DucK- wrote: I have mentioned the vast variety of strats they have used. All with different timings. I have responded to your mentioning for certain heroes losing strength, thus not viable for ban slots against them. Thing is that even in this current patch, they are feared for a vast variety of hero picks. Even if they all got nerfed, they still have a plethora of strategies which other heroes would be able to fill and synergize with one another. Since they have a vast number of strats, timings and itemization, thus showing flexability they have not cornered themselves with picks. They can pick the same heroes, place them on other players, and they can totally alter how they play it.You're merely stating heroes that they can play. They don't build around many of those heroes like brew beast, but utilize them as a response pick to complement the draft. They build around io, sf, tusk, undying, dazzle and ww. These heroes form the backbone of their drafts. Sf to powerfarm and be the main carry, undying to win lanes, ww/dazzle to sustain their 5man and make it hard to kill their cores, io for io combos, and early tusk pick for draft flexibility (option for moon or Cr1t to play). This is why they are 'limited' in their drafts, even though they seem to play a lot of heroes. Not sure how you come to the conclusion they are limited in their drafts, when they have split pushed with a number of heroes; NP, BM, AM, Jakiro and IO/Tiny. They have chosen team fight heroes like Undying, Slardar, Bane, Tusk, Doom, Shaker and Brew. Early core heroes like Gyro. Farmers like SF, PL, AM, and Alchemist. You admit they have a vast number of strategies. Moon has a big hero pool. So has N0tail, Miracle and Cr1t-. They have a lot of heroes they still haven't used, as there is little reason to, or were nerfed, or there are better options right now. A lot of other teams, have been forced into using heroes their players haven't played a lot, unlike OG. Few teams know how to pick/ban against them. Why would this change due to a few nerfs on "their" heroes? They are nothing like [A] that lost much due to jungle nerfs and split push mechanics got much weaker. | ||
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