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On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember!
So because they didn't itemize against Envy's midgame creepcutting they lost the game. Doesn't that mean that Envy is pretty much the reason Secret won the game?
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Ember's contribution this game was just split pushing (which bought them the time). Wr was the real carry.
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On October 29 2015 20:38 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage.
yea it totally wasnt EE creating so much space that even NASA would be impressed
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If Alche went SB, he could easily punish Envy aggressive split push.
BKB did nothing for Alche.
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On October 29 2015 20:38 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage.
Yeah that's cause WR is the primary damage dealer and i don't think you actually understand the game if you think ember did nothing there lmao
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Dear lord, trying to pinpoint one exact reason why a team lost is stupid as hell. No other hero could have played the way Ember did that game, WR is also crazy good to get pickoffs, and as far as VG goes for a while the game was at a state where if they catch EE once it's just over. Don't think it makes any sense to only talk about the draft or an item build.
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On October 29 2015 20:41 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:38 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage. Yeah that's cause WR is the primary damage dealer and i don't think you actually understand the game if you think ember did nothing there lmao
I never said he did nothing. I feel WR contributed more is all.. But sure I said EE did nothing lmao? top kek.
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who cares, all of secret played well to win this game. envy with the constant pressure, w33 with clutch shackles, pie+puppey with providing constant vision and saves, and misery using rp very tactically, preventing it from being stolen even once
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On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember!
Yeah, w33 had great shackles and plays but EE played a world class game. Actually the whole of Secret played great after their opening fails.
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On October 29 2015 20:40 FakeDeath wrote:
If Alche went SB, he could easily punish Envy aggressive split push.
BKB did nothing for Alche.
True, wonder if it changed the mek play to me meant they wanted to push quickly. Like when you go mek on SF and get rosh and push. I think that first time they wanted to go T3 and didn't after forcing misery bb, that was where they wanted to win the game or do significant damage.
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On October 29 2015 20:42 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:41 goody153 wrote:On October 29 2015 20:38 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage. Yeah that's cause WR is the primary damage dealer and i don't think you actually understand the game if you think ember did nothing there lmao I never said he did nothing. I feel WR contributed more is all.. But sure I said EE did nothing lmao? top kek.
Then you pretty much don't understand how map control works if you think w33ha did majority of it. And just think who is flashy did the most.
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Man, watching how Puppey got 5 man jumped on at the end of the game near VG;s ancients and kept getting force-staffed/ ghost to his side of the map without losing any hp...
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On October 29 2015 20:45 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:42 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:41 goody153 wrote:On October 29 2015 20:38 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage. Yeah that's cause WR is the primary damage dealer and i don't think you actually understand the game if you think ember did nothing there lmao I never said he did nothing. I feel WR contributed more is all.. But sure I said EE did nothing lmao? top kek. Then you pretty much don't understand how map control works if you think w33ha did majority of it. And just think who is flashy did the most.
Uhhh okay bruh. I am just some nub. I bow down to you putting words in my mouth.
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Actually the game was very controlled from Secret. Not a lot of chaos at all. EternalEnvy played absolutely solid this game and the way he ought to. No complaints there. The issue with EternalEnvy has never been that he doesn't know how to split push and farm, but that he doesn't know how to take advantage of the other side of Ember. The one that players such as Sumail and Maybe exploit to their teams' full advantage.
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On October 29 2015 20:39 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Did you even watch the game rofl Whole reason they won was ee pushing 2 lanes preventing veg from ever committing to anything
And did you READ ALL of my post or whatever suites your argument. I said the reason they lost was because they failed in pushing as this was the MAIN goal for an offlane Jakiro. However if there was no gyro but some mobile hero in the safelane with stun or silence or in mid as I explained alche with ganking items not pushing once, that space you are talking about would be smaller than the one EE has between his teeth when he grinds them in anger after feeding for 10-th time.
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There's always multiple sides to things, had they picked something else than Gyro or gone for a totally different item build on Alch suddenly Secret may have a much easier time contesting small fights or getting pickoffs. Now all those efforts were worthless because Alch was too tanky to kill and they have no chance of teamfighting mek Alch and Gyro with that supporting cast.
I mean the game was at a state where one single pickoff on EE may just be gg or had VG not clumped up in their base push for EE to kill 3 instantly with a crit suddenly the game is over and we would be talking about VG "smashing" Secret.
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On October 29 2015 20:46 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:45 goody153 wrote:On October 29 2015 20:42 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:41 goody153 wrote:On October 29 2015 20:38 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage. Yeah that's cause WR is the primary damage dealer and i don't think you actually understand the game if you think ember did nothing there lmao I never said he did nothing. I feel WR contributed more is all.. But sure I said EE did nothing lmao? top kek. Then you pretty much don't understand how map control works if you think w33ha did majority of it. And just think who is flashy did the most. Uhhh okay bruh. I am just some nub. I bow down to you putting words in my mouth.
Then what else does your statement that w33ha did more than EE mean if you actually did understand map control. You probably don't realize without the splitpushing and space creating nobody from secret would get farm that includes w33ha who farmed at the more safer locations most of the time.
Yeah pieliedie also did so much. w33ha pretty much just did what a standard carry would do
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Believing that SB Alchemist is going to allow VG to get reliable pick offs is ridiculous. Alchemist can't kill Ember with a single rotation unless he's way ahead of the curve and going SB and gank build doesn't = "I am way ahead." You guys also know Secret had a bounty right? How are you going to reliable gank with SB against a bounty who's there to track you from a 1000 range every time he sees you? How do you remove the track on Alchemist?
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On October 29 2015 20:42 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:41 goody153 wrote:On October 29 2015 20:38 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember! Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage. Yeah that's cause WR is the primary damage dealer and i don't think you actually understand the game if you think ember did nothing there lmao I never said he did nothing. I feel WR contributed more is all.. But sure I said EE did nothing lmao? top kek.
Yeah you know nothing. That game was all won on EE. WR had ZERO farm by midgame... and her focus fire was like a feather not even getting thru alchs regen lol. EEmber bought the time for w33 to farm. Everyone who know Dota understands these things so its not like im pulling this stuff outta my ass. So get back under your bridge and stop trolling!
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