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On October 29 2015 20:29 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:28 Azarkon wrote:On October 29 2015 20:25 babysimba wrote:
Ignore azarkon. He's a retard Nice argument. Why don't you try to actually counter what I just did? Oh wait, you can't. my good man the alch mek into whatever build was ok cause it made the alch literally unkillable in teamfights as well as secret can't stop the pushes of vg at one point
You can't push that early against decent wave clear. The Jakiro secured them a solid tower advantage but everyone who's played Dota at a high level knows WR + Magnus can clear a creep wave in one set of spells, so there's no way you push high ground unless Alchemist is so ahead that he practically doesn't take damage in ult form. A Mek allows you to heal your team. It doesn't allow you to stand in the front of a tier 3 tower tanking WR + Magnus + Ember.
Of course Secret played very well for this to happen, but that's what top teams do.
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On October 29 2015 20:30 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:26 goody153 wrote:On October 29 2015 20:26 hifriend wrote:
Anyone know a stream with english casting that isn't horrible in asia, specifically china? there's only one english casting studio the one you are listening right now I know but maybe it's broadcasted elsewhere than twitch?
that's pretty much it .. occassionally some of the tournaments have a youtube livestream feed but i'm checking it right now and i can't find one
are you having difficulties ? have you tried livestreamer? (it's just vlc)
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WR shackles pretty easy to land these days with the buff. WR has gotten buffs to the point I think it gets away with too much.
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Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose
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VG were very indecisive on pushes to T3s. They picked off a magnus after he tried to blink around the back, forced his buyback and still just waited outside as EE was pushing bottom. They needed to commit there and get stuff done ( think they had aegis there). They then did this again when they pushed mid again to T3 with aegis on alchemist to again let EE push and not commit. To that extent they even sacked Alchemist two times due to indecision.
That for me is what cost them this game.
#CommitToThe5Man!
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tbh VG collectively fell apart slowly after their mid push that one time didn't work out, lategame was just mistake after mistake
lol @ azarkon picking apart strategies after the game. Secret blew 3 buybacks in their mid defense and barely held with amazing ember play throughout the game, but I guess VG are just too shit of a team to understand basic dota. How many times did puppey place above fy in a TI btw?
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On October 29 2015 20:31 DucK- wrote:
Lol. This is why envy ember is good. Not that he plays the hero well or make plays, its just his ability to farm dangerously and push lanes.
Anyway as I said I don't like this alch build for this reason. You get big too late. I think super could have adapted with 1-2 point acid and higher greed. You don't really need high levels of acid to farm. That way even if he wanted this mek build, he can still get his later items early.
It's proof that not every captain is stupid for first banning ember lmao
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in other news, chuan's stream is just 20k short of a million viewers
edit: was? either way he has 700k now
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On October 29 2015 20:32 ncsix wrote:
WR shackles pretty easy to land these days with the buff. WR has gotten buffs to the point I think it gets away with too much.
eh its not only WR that has this issue though. pretty much every popular mid hero has received buffs in such a way that they all are very very strong at something (and can snowball very easily) and only last patch has icefrog tried to cut back on the power creep.
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On October 29 2015 20:34 Stancel wrote:
in other news, chuan's stream is just 20k short of a million viewers
edit: was? either way he has 700k now
what in the actual fuck?
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On October 29 2015 20:32 ncsix wrote:
WR shackles pretty easy to land these days with the buff. WR has gotten buffs to the point I think it gets away with too much.
They never truly fixed the shackleshot in DOTA 2. The amount of broken angles I saw while playing and the length of the shackle is absurdly high.
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On October 29 2015 20:31 broodbucket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:30 hifriend wrote:On October 29 2015 20:26 goody153 wrote:On October 29 2015 20:26 hifriend wrote:
Anyone know a stream with english casting that isn't horrible in asia, specifically china? there's only one english casting studio the one you are listening right now I know but maybe it's broadcasted elsewhere than twitch? There is an unofficial restream on YouTube Gaming, maybe it'd be better. Your best option is probably buying the ticket and watching in-game, if that's an option.
Yes, youtube+vpn seems to be the solution. 
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On October 29 2015 20:34 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:31 DucK- wrote:
Lol. This is why envy ember is good. Not that he plays the hero well or make plays, its just his ability to farm dangerously and push lanes.
Anyway as I said I don't like this alch build for this reason. You get big too late. I think super could have adapted with 1-2 point acid and higher greed. You don't really need high levels of acid to farm. That way even if he wanted this mek build, he can still get his later items early. It's proof that not every captain is stupid for first banning ember lmao
Well first banning ember against secret is not really that dumb it's not solely because envy is really good at ember but because it's a secret comfort hero.
Yeah banning comfort heroes and trying to throw enemy teams into uncomfortable picks are a thing.
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On October 29 2015 20:30 babysimba wrote:
Ya build octarine radiance manta when you pick jakiro undying to end game early. What fucking logic. You can blame their execution, blaming his item build is full retarded. There's no point arguing with you
Except you can't end game early with Jakiro against wave clear. In case that's what VG wanted to do, they lost at the draft. But why pick Gyro Alchemist in that case? Why not pick hard push carries? Gyrocopter can't even siege against wave clear because he is squishy as fuck and has short range so he can't hit towers without being hit back. Alchemist can't siege without a huge advantage because he has to be able to stand there and take hits from 4-5 heroes while on the tower.
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On October 29 2015 20:34 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:31 DucK- wrote:
Lol. This is why envy ember is good. Not that he plays the hero well or make plays, its just his ability to farm dangerously and push lanes.
Anyway as I said I don't like this alch build for this reason. You get big too late. I think super could have adapted with 1-2 point acid and higher greed. You don't really need high levels of acid to farm. That way even if he wanted this mek build, he can still get his later items early. It's proof that not every captain is stupid for first banning ember lmao
Fucking thank you
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On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose
This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember!
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On October 29 2015 20:36 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:34 Stancel wrote:
in other news, chuan's stream is just 20k short of a million viewers
edit: was? either way he has 700k now what in the actual fuck?
it's heavily inflated don't worry
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On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember!
Thank you. IDK why people think it was ember that won the game and not WR.. he did all the real damage.
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On October 29 2015 20:37 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:36 sc14s wrote:On October 29 2015 20:34 Stancel wrote:
in other news, chuan's stream is just 20k short of a million viewers
edit: was? either way he has 700k now what in the actual fuck? it's heavily inflated don't worry
how does it work
the douyu site is awful
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On October 29 2015 20:37 SatsuinoHado wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2015 20:33 ch33psh33p wrote:
Hope the haters understand why every team first ban ember against secret now.
The way de plays the hero just puts an absurd amount of pressure on you and then you lose This game was not won by EE it was lost by itemization of Supers Alche. Imagine if bkb he had SE and the same way EE farms and waits to remnant away get a UC in point blank range things would look way different. And dont forget this was meme push lineup with fast mek and Gyro with S&Y which failed and they lost to WR not Ember!
Did you even watch the game rofl
Whole reason they won was ee pushing 2 lanes preventing veg from ever committing to anything
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