EPTOn September 30 2015 02:08 lolfail9001 wrote:
I mean, once again, i don't talk about mechanical flaws. I talk about grander picture. If anything, influx of pub trained superstars highlights the fact that there is distinct lack of supports in the scene, especially captaining supports.
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On September 30 2015 02:05 bagels21 wrote:
a lot of the older players no longer have captains that can hide their flaws and the influx of pub trained mid superstars definitely makes it easier to point out flaws so to an extent I do agree just not to the level you were painting it
On September 30 2015 01:52 lolfail9001 wrote:
I mean, if you think about it, they pretty much did not improve, that's true, but 6.84/6.85 exposes this like no other patch in my memory.
On September 30 2015 01:49 bagels21 wrote:
of course, but even if we discount secret, the remainder of the EU scene just seems as a whole weaker and the teams less cohesive.
I don't agree with lolfail that the players are suddenly worse, I just think that they were overrated a bit to begin with
On September 30 2015 01:47 spudde123 wrote:
Well it is to be expected that EU dota would be bit less successful given that both Arteezy and Zai don't play for an "EU" team anymore. Also at least for now it is true that Empire especially lost their footing after their roster shuffles. The comments that made me cringe were more about the "level of play" and how that somehow tells about everyone being surprisingly terrible.
On September 30 2015 01:35 bagels21 wrote:
A lot of people (Huehue azarkon) thought empire was top3 (of course no longer), c9 no longer exists (as an EU team) and navi looks worse than before I guess. These are all teams with huge fanbases, which may have skewed opinions of them previously, which makes the current state of EU dota look even worse.
Otherwise you would be correct
On September 30 2015 01:23 TomatoBisque wrote:
EU Dota was a bit better pre-TI, mostly because Secret was dominating everything. EU/CIS top 3 at MDL helped with that perception too, but beyond that there weren't really any tournaments with a lot of EU + other teams where EU did well
VP is likely better than every non-Secret EU team, which puts EU roughly in the same spot as they were before. Empire doing their thing and falling apart at TI and immediately after makes things look worse even though they're CIS. In addition
Edit: And while stupid dives may only make up a small % of the game time, they have a much higher impact on the outcome of games
EU Dota was a bit better pre-TI, mostly because Secret was dominating everything. EU/CIS top 3 at MDL helped with that perception too, but beyond that there weren't really any tournaments with a lot of EU + other teams where EU did well
VP is likely better than every non-Secret EU team, which puts EU roughly in the same spot as they were before. Empire doing their thing and falling apart at TI and immediately after makes things look worse even though they're CIS. In addition
Edit: And while stupid dives may only make up a small % of the game time, they have a much higher impact on the outcome of games
A lot of people (Huehue azarkon) thought empire was top3 (of course no longer), c9 no longer exists (as an EU team) and navi looks worse than before I guess. These are all teams with huge fanbases, which may have skewed opinions of them previously, which makes the current state of EU dota look even worse.
Otherwise you would be correct
Well it is to be expected that EU dota would be bit less successful given that both Arteezy and Zai don't play for an "EU" team anymore. Also at least for now it is true that Empire especially lost their footing after their roster shuffles. The comments that made me cringe were more about the "level of play" and how that somehow tells about everyone being surprisingly terrible.
of course, but even if we discount secret, the remainder of the EU scene just seems as a whole weaker and the teams less cohesive.
I don't agree with lolfail that the players are suddenly worse, I just think that they were overrated a bit to begin with
I mean, if you think about it, they pretty much did not improve, that's true, but 6.84/6.85 exposes this like no other patch in my memory.
a lot of the older players no longer have captains that can hide their flaws and the influx of pub trained mid superstars definitely makes it easier to point out flaws so to an extent I do agree just not to the level you were painting it
I mean, once again, i don't talk about mechanical flaws. I talk about grander picture. If anything, influx of pub trained superstars highlights the fact that there is distinct lack of supports in the scene, especially captaining supports.
that has always been the case however :/
