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On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't.
Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok.
I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny.
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On August 08 2015 01:15 Azarkon wrote:
I am 99% sure that West, and especially Americans, are going to win this tournament now that Secret is out.
In case they don't, I'll never talk shit about Chinese Dota again.
azarkon nooo
don't do this man
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lol don't Azarkon seriously, yo. He'll be back in 3 months.
Honestly, Azarkon posts are more funny after wins, because that's when he overextends and comes up with an unfortunate series of predictions that are never predictions.
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On August 08 2015 01:42 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:15 Azarkon wrote:
I am 99% sure that West, and especially Americans, are going to win this tournament now that Secret is out.
In case they don't, I'll never talk shit about Chinese Dota again. azarkon nooo don't do this man
Don't worry he'll be back
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On August 08 2015 01:43 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:42 goody153 wrote:On August 08 2015 01:15 Azarkon wrote:
I am 99% sure that West, and especially Americans, are going to win this tournament now that Secret is out.
In case they don't, I'll never talk shit about Chinese Dota again. azarkon nooo don't do this man Don't worry he'll be back
i hope opterown has mercy pls it's not the same without azarkon
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On August 08 2015 01:24 Shergal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:15 Azarkon wrote:
I am 99% sure that West, and especially Americans, are going to win this tournament now that Secret is out.
In case they don't, I'll never talk shit about Chinese Dota again. At this point you shouldn't really. Your idea that there is some fundamental problem with Dota in China that is exclusive to them is already desestimated from everything that happened since TI3, no matter what the results of this one particular tournament are.
You say this as though the Chinese didn't lose practically every tournament in the last six months. I'll say this: their results this tournament have been above where I thought they'd be. But it doesn't change the fact that it is, in a lot of ways, due to Western teams, especially Secret and Empire, tilting. It isn't because their results all year have shown that they were equal to the West.
To this end, just as you say - this tournament alone does not say a lot. But I'm still willing to say that the West is going to win, because I trust PPD won't be tilting.
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On August 08 2015 01:45 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:43 bagels21 wrote:On August 08 2015 01:42 goody153 wrote:On August 08 2015 01:15 Azarkon wrote:
I am 99% sure that West, and especially Americans, are going to win this tournament now that Secret is out.
In case they don't, I'll never talk shit about Chinese Dota again. azarkon nooo don't do this man Don't worry he'll be back i hope opterown has mercy pls it's not the same without azarkon
I do hope so too. The Azarkon flailing never ceases to amuse me.
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Lol anyone seriously believes Azarkon is man enough to live up to his own words?
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On August 08 2015 01:40 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't. Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok. I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny.
I'm pretty sure the Chinese teams did not develop Radiance rush Naga Siren, Meracle(of First Departure) was the first player I remember doing that and I think rtz was actually the one who brought it to the forefront.
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Azarkon is our novelty western weibo account person thing. You get rid of him and the thread discussion is cut in half.
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On August 08 2015 01:48 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:40 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't. Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok. I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny. I'm pretty sure the Chinese teams did not develop Radiance rush Naga Siren, Meracle(of First Departure) was the first player I remember doing that and I think rtz was actually the one who brought it to the forefront.
radiance rush naga is the wrong way to play naga in competitive fyi
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On August 08 2015 01:48 nooboon wrote:
Azarkon is our novelty western weibo account person thing. You get rid of him and the thread discussion is cut in half.
When Secret lost last night, Azarkon stopped posting and the thread came to a standstill.
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On August 08 2015 01:40 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't. Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok. I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny.
They played Naga back in 2012 and it was not on support. They have not shown that they know how to play it the way Alliance plays it, which is the way Western teams play it today.
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On August 08 2015 01:40 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't. Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok. I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny.
As far as I'm aware, none of the remaining Chinese teams have run Naga at all except VG once in a game they lost. Ehome's the only Chinese team who ran Naga more than once. The others prefer to just ban her out.
As such it IS a strategical advantage, though I think Azarkon overestimates how big it is.
The biggest pick advantage EG had over a Chinese team was bounty vs Ehome, because Ehome was weak both with and against the hero. They won't have that vs CDEC.
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Azarkon is still alive after Secret's defeat? I am surprised
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On August 08 2015 01:46 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:24 Shergal wrote:On August 08 2015 01:15 Azarkon wrote:
I am 99% sure that West, and especially Americans, are going to win this tournament now that Secret is out.
In case they don't, I'll never talk shit about Chinese Dota again. At this point you shouldn't really. Your idea that there is some fundamental problem with Dota in China that is exclusive to them is already desestimated from everything that happened since TI3, no matter what the results of this one particular tournament are. You say this as though the Chinese didn't lose practically every tournament in the last six months. I'll say this: their results this tournament have been above where I thought they'd be. But it doesn't change the fact that it is, in a lot of ways, due to Western teams, especially Secret and Empire, tilting. It isn't because their results all year have shown that they were equal to the West. To this end, just as you say - this tournament alone does not say a lot. But I'm still willing to say that the West is going to win, because I trust PPD won't be tilting.
You realize when there is a tournament that has a $ 18mm prize pool once a year, all the other tournaments COMBINED are like chicken feet comparing to this one. In Dota, nothing else matters comparing to TI. If a team wins TI, it is the world's best team. If China has 4 teams in top 6 at TI, China > West. It's that simple.
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On August 08 2015 01:50 ref4 wrote:
Azarkon is still alive after Secret's defeat? I am surprised
his new team is EG. You missed the EHOME match where he literally started referring to EG as "we" and pretending like he was a member(or true fanboi) of EG. He also claimed that Arteezy and Sumail were from USA lol.
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On August 08 2015 01:54 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:50 ref4 wrote:
Azarkon is still alive after Secret's defeat? I am surprised his new team is EG. You missed the EHOME match where he literally started referring to EG as "we" and pretending like he was a member(or true fanboi) of EG. He also claimed that Arteezy and Sumail were from USA lol.
He'd be a lot funnier if he was a diehard C9 fan though.
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On August 08 2015 01:46 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:24 Shergal wrote:On August 08 2015 01:15 Azarkon wrote:
I am 99% sure that West, and especially Americans, are going to win this tournament now that Secret is out.
In case they don't, I'll never talk shit about Chinese Dota again. At this point you shouldn't really. Your idea that there is some fundamental problem with Dota in China that is exclusive to them is already desestimated from everything that happened since TI3, no matter what the results of this one particular tournament are. You say this as though the Chinese didn't lost practically every tournament in the last six months. I'll say this: their results this tournament have been above where I thought they'd be. But it doesn't change the fact that it is, in a lot of ways, due to Western teams, especially Secret and Empire, tilting. It isn't because their results all year have shown that they were equal to the West. To this end, just as you say - this tournament alone does not say a lot. But I'm still willing to say that the West is going to win, because I trust PPD won't be tilting.
pretty sure teams are preparing for TI way more than any tournament, in order to be in the best shape possible - but what do I know
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