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On August 08 2015 02:09 Shergal wrote:
I think the whole "Azarkon vs China" thing started when everyone at the west got traumatized by EHOME stomping through ESWC 2010. That's what started the divide between the Chinese Dota fanboys and those who hated them/thought it was a fluke.
So it's just fanboys being dumb, and not some bad blood between CN and not-CN? :/
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On August 08 2015 01:59 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 01:48 Elyvilon wrote:On August 08 2015 01:40 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't. Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok. I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny. I'm pretty sure the Chinese teams did not develop Radiance rush Naga Siren, Meracle(of First Departure) was the first player I remember doing that and I think rtz was actually the one who brought it to the forefront. Chinese teams have been playing Naga competitively since DotA 1. In fact, going into TI2, they had a massive advantage in that they had a far more developed meta than the Western teams did, even though if you go all the way back, Azarkon was still riding the West hard back then. So.... yeah. This idea that the Chinese teams don't know how to play against or how to play Naga is hilarious. As a support, her best spell is her sleep, and they've played against that ultimate enough to know how to properly engage and disengage. If you're going to say they didn't know how to play against Wisp (which they didn't), that would be a correct statement. They clearly didn't. It's just that Chinese teams favor certain heroes over other ones; they don't really value Naga that high even though it does get banned quite often (more as an annoyance factor). The only hero they don't know how to play against is really Techies, and in all honesty not many teams from the West have any idea how to play against the hero either.
If CDEC gets their techies , EG going to CRY during the game , the hero is just breaking the game if your team knows to play around it , and both EG and CDEC knows how , i want EG to win but its going to be a hard series , i do give them the edge over CDEC due to experience and composure alone.
also LOL at the guy saying china dont know Naga , also CDEC can run bounty as well.
We will see if EG can withstand CDEC smokes and ganking patterns in the early mid game and prevent a snowball , i also think EG dont like PL that much and its a fav for CDEC.
HYPED
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On August 08 2015 02:04 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:02 Azarkon wrote:On August 08 2015 01:59 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 01:48 Elyvilon wrote:On August 08 2015 01:40 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't. Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok. I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny. I'm pretty sure the Chinese teams did not develop Radiance rush Naga Siren, Meracle(of First Departure) was the first player I remember doing that and I think rtz was actually the one who brought it to the forefront. Chinese teams have been playing Naga competitively since DotA 1. In fact, going into TI2, they had a massive advantage in that they had a far more developed meta than the Western teams did, even though if you go all the way back, Azarkon was still riding the West hard back then. They played it differently. They used it only to start fights. They never used it to stop / change fights, which is what Alliance did. Really? That's why we saw tons of Naga sleep interruptions of initiations by opposing teams during TI2 by the Chinese teams amirite?
That's the same idea. What I'm talking about is using Naga only to stop fights and run away - which is what Alliance used it for in their no fight strategies, and using it in the middle of a fight to change the way it's going. The Chinese used it to start fights and used it only when they had a lot of AoE heroes, which is why the change to song in Dota 2 made them stop using it.
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On August 08 2015 02:05 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:03 bagels21 wrote:On August 08 2015 01:59 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 01:48 Elyvilon wrote:On August 08 2015 01:40 superstartran wrote:On August 08 2015 01:34 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 21:33 Shergal wrote:
EG are overwhelming favorites at this point. They haven't played the best Dota in the event, but to them that's irrelevant. They will just outdraft the opposition and bore them out of the game like they always do. I don't really see any of the remaining teams beating them unless ppd chokes. PPD's pick strategy, especially against Chinese teams, is simple: Ban: Leshrac, Gyrocopter Pick: Techies/Naga/Bounty It works because no Chinese team wants to play two out of those three heroes. As such, PPD is able to get what he wants every time. And he isn't afraid of other teams getting bounty, because he knows how to play against it. PPD wins simply because he and his players know both what to pick and how to play it. Had other teams known how to play these heroes, there'd be no issue, but they don't. Yeah, the scene that literally created the Naga meta doesn't know how to play Naga. Ok. I can buy that they don't know how to play Techies, but your statement is just too funny. I'm pretty sure the Chinese teams did not develop Radiance rush Naga Siren, Meracle(of First Departure) was the first player I remember doing that and I think rtz was actually the one who brought it to the forefront. Chinese teams have been playing Naga competitively since DotA 1. In fact, going into TI2, they had a massive advantage in that they had a far more developed meta than the Western teams did, even though if you go all the way back, Azarkon was still riding the West hard back then. So.... yeah. This idea that the Chinese teams don't know how to play against or how to play Naga is hilarious. As a support, her best spell is her sleep, and they've played against that ultimate enough to know how to properly engage and disengage. remember when Azarkon was Dendi's #1 fanboy and there was a massively long thread/dispute on Dendi vs. all other solo mids I think that was pretty funny, he seriously thought Dendi was the best mid in the world at the time, even though at TI2 you could pick almost any mid laner from the East and they would beat Dendi quite easily in any mid match-up. He wasn't really a very strong midlaner until TI3 (as in lane mechanics).
I remember when Bulba personally came onto the forum to discuss 430's TA. It was glorious
At this point I just enjoy the sheer amount of lols that come from Azarkon
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On August 08 2015 02:09 Shergal wrote:
I think the whole "Azarkon vs China" thing started when everyone at the west got traumatized by EHOME stomping through ESWC 2010. That's what started the divide between the Chinese Dota fanboys and those who hated them/thought it was a fluke.
Say, what actually did happen and how azarkon became azarkon that he is today?
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Sanya12364 Posts
On August 08 2015 02:06 Loanshark wrote:
I'm very conflicted......I actually want EG to win but I also want to see Azarkon's reaction when they lose.
Just root for EG to win. He says equally ridiculous things when the western teams win.
And it's still funny.
As for C9 winning game. Sure. But they don't win enough to build to a high enough height to truly fall hard.
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On August 08 2015 02:11 TanGeng wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:06 Loanshark wrote:
I'm very conflicted......I actually want EG to win but I also want to see Azarkon's reaction when they lose. Just root for EG to win. He says equally ridiculous things when the western teams win. And it's still funny. As for C9 winning game. Sure. But they don't win enough to build to a high enough height to truly fall hard.
I think that the die-hard fanboy will always skew the narrative to suit his own opinions properly.
"They're actually still better if you really think about it, Bone7's an excellent draft he just played poorly that game."
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On August 08 2015 02:09 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:06 Loanshark wrote:
I'm very conflicted......I actually want EG to win but I also want to see Azarkon's reaction when they lose. I think that you should cheer on EG if that's the case.
The beauty of Azarkon is that he's turned it into a win-win situation for the majority of TL. EG wins: fanboys are happy, crowd favorites win. CDEC wins: Everyone can laugh at Azarkon.
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On August 08 2015 02:11 shad2810 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:09 Shergal wrote:
I think the whole "Azarkon vs China" thing started when everyone at the west got traumatized by EHOME stomping through ESWC 2010. That's what started the divide between the Chinese Dota fanboys and those who hated them/thought it was a fluke. Say, what actually did happen and how azarkon became azarkon that he is today?
It was one of the big China vs. World events in Dota1 (EHOME 2010 was like DK 2014 but they actually won everything) wherein EHOME basically embarrassed every team there. They completely destroyed everyone, it was like a worse version of the G-1 with Alliance.
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On August 08 2015 02:13 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:09 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2015 02:06 Loanshark wrote:
I'm very conflicted......I actually want EG to win but I also want to see Azarkon's reaction when they lose. I think that you should cheer on EG if that's the case. The beauty of Azarkon is that he's turned it into a win-win situation for the majority of TL. EG wins: fanboys are happy, crowd favorites win. CDEC wins: Everyone can laugh at Azarkon.
What a hero!
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I really like the CDEC story though. Shiki is such a hero.
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On August 08 2015 02:13 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:13 Loanshark wrote:On August 08 2015 02:09 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2015 02:06 Loanshark wrote:
I'm very conflicted......I actually want EG to win but I also want to see Azarkon's reaction when they lose. I think that you should cheer on EG if that's the case. The beauty of Azarkon is that he's turned it into a win-win situation for the majority of TL. EG wins: fanboys are happy, crowd favorites win. CDEC wins: Everyone can laugh at Azarkon. What a hero!
The hero TL deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
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Sanya12364 Posts
On August 08 2015 02:16 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2015 02:13 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2015 02:13 Loanshark wrote:On August 08 2015 02:09 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 08 2015 02:06 Loanshark wrote:
I'm very conflicted......I actually want EG to win but I also want to see Azarkon's reaction when they lose. I think that you should cheer on EG if that's the case. The beauty of Azarkon is that he's turned it into a win-win situation for the majority of TL. EG wins: fanboys are happy, crowd favorites win. CDEC wins: Everyone can laugh at Azarkon. What a hero! The hero TL deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
Azarkon is certainly the hero TL needs right now. :D
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Yes yes yes the all-star match was the #1
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
HOW IS THAT PLAY NUMBER 1 ROFL HAHA
not sure if you're actually supposed to include the all stars game in this top 10 but eh what the hell lol, it was an amazing game
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All star game highlights in the top 10 T_T
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On August 08 2015 00:00 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 23:57 mutantmagnet wrote:On August 07 2015 23:14 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 23:10 Latham wrote:On August 07 2015 22:21 TanGeng wrote:
By the way, as staff you can filter for all the Azarkon comments as the TI LR thread happens and see the changing thought process alongside results. It's hilarious.
It's hilarious in both victory and defeat. :D
If that's not a reason to be staff, I don't know what is. :D Make a copy pasta paint document for us please. BTW I'm surprised VG beat EHOME 2-0 D:, i thought they looked a lot more shaky overall throughout this tournament. Maybe it's just a case of 1 playstyle being an answer to the other... i dunno myself, I went to sleep when the series started so I'm just speculating. Also: let's go EG and CDEC finals :D CDEC LGD would be kinda funny too. Vader vs Luke That analogy makes very little sense
CDEC was the youth team for LGD.
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
sheever looks prettier every year
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On August 08 2015 02:20 konadora wrote:
sheever looks prettier every year
You're so right it's actually stupid.
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EPT
