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On August 07 2015 04:06 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 RiZu wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:00 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 07 2015 03:56 Azarkon wrote:
How did Empire lose to this team indeed? Slark basically killed himself five times after they got an advantage. "I can't believe how good Korean Dota is omg look Korea is going to do so much better than most Chinese teams" "LOL I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BAD MVP IS HOW DID THEY EVEN GET THIS FAR" Even so, they finished above two top Chinese teams. I'm just sad for Empire. Hasn't it been a while since iG or NewBee were "top Chinese teams?" Who else is there? Ehome, CDEC, LGD, VG, IG, and Newbee are the top Chinese teams and no one thought IG was behind Ehome and CDEC before this tournament. Are you sure? I don't follow the Chinese DotA scene that much but people I know who do say that iG was just overhyped because of Burning. The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC Then you hasn't been watching the chinese scene... CDEC was actually rocking in several finals. They didn't win one though. Betting site odds put it (before TI): VG > LGD > iG > Newbee = Ehome > CDEC. Statistics don't lie. More like they operate off of same logic as you, and that's faulty logic.
So how much money have you made profiting off the dumb logic of bettors?
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On August 07 2015 04:05 beifru wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:03 mOnion wrote:
i think TI is making it very apparent what heroes need nerfs
lesh, lina, gyro. heroes that dominate in lane, dominate mid game, and scale very well into late. heroes need to have weaknesses, these fuckers are OP And what heroes need to be deleted from the game: Techies.
At least techies has somewhat or a weakness that can be exploited.
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On August 07 2015 04:06 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 RiZu wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:00 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:On August 07 2015 03:56 Azarkon wrote:
How did Empire lose to this team indeed? Slark basically killed himself five times after they got an advantage. "I can't believe how good Korean Dota is omg look Korea is going to do so much better than most Chinese teams" "LOL I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BAD MVP IS HOW DID THEY EVEN GET THIS FAR" Even so, they finished above two top Chinese teams. I'm just sad for Empire. Hasn't it been a while since iG or NewBee were "top Chinese teams?" Who else is there? Ehome, CDEC, LGD, VG, IG, and Newbee are the top Chinese teams and no one thought IG was behind Ehome and CDEC before this tournament. Are you sure? I don't follow the Chinese DotA scene that much but people I know who do say that iG was just overhyped because of Burning. The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC Then you hasn't been watching the chinese scene... CDEC was actually rocking in several finals. They didn't win one though. Betting site odds put it (before TI): VG > LGD > iG > Newbee = Ehome > CDEC. Statistics don't lie. More like they operate off of same logic as you, and that's faulty logic.
People who are betting thousands of dollars on matches generally use more logic than people posting here.
Regardless, looking at past form, most people on these forums more or less agreed with the ranking. Easy to say stuff now that CDEC are in the finals and all.
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I wonder if VG is going to go for the DS/Wyvern with the ES again. That linup was pretty sick.
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I know Nutz is amazing on witch doctor, but first phase, idk man.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 07 2015 04:06 Stalemilk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 07 2015 04:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 RiZu wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:00 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
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"I can't believe how good Korean Dota is omg look Korea is going to do so much better than most Chinese teams"
"LOL I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BAD MVP IS HOW DID THEY EVEN GET THIS FAR" Even so, they finished above two top Chinese teams. I'm just sad for Empire. Hasn't it been a while since iG or NewBee were "top Chinese teams?" Who else is there? Ehome, CDEC, LGD, VG, IG, and Newbee are the top Chinese teams and no one thought IG was behind Ehome and CDEC before this tournament. Are you sure? I don't follow the Chinese DotA scene that much but people I know who do say that iG was just overhyped because of Burning. The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC Then you hasn't been watching the chinese scene... CDEC was actually rocking in several finals. They didn't win one though. Betting site odds put it (before TI): VG > LGD > iG > Newbee = Ehome > CDEC. Statistics don't lie. More like they operate off of same logic as you, and that's faulty logic. So how much money have you made profiting off the dumb logic of bettors?
0 because i have learned 10 years ago that whenever i make a bet on something independent from me, opposite happens.
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United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:
The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC
In a vacuum that placement of IG is rightl. The problem is iG is prone to imploding when they do poorly due to certain personalities on the team.
Burning, as good of a player as he is, was really not a good fit for the team, because he's not really a strong, centralizing player. He is much more quiet, passive, and plays his role on the team. He's a good player, but that's intrinsically not enough to fix the core problems on iG.
Of course just getting a star player with a total disregard for how to address the actual problem in the team's dynamics is a very iG thing to do.
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On August 07 2015 04:07 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:
The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC
In a vacuum that placement of IG is rightl. The problem is iG is prone to imploding when they do poorly due to certain personalities on the team. Burning, as good of a player as he is, was really not a good fit for the team, because he's not really a strong, centralizing player. He is much more quiet, passive, and plays his role on the team. He's a good player, but that's intrinsically not enough to fix the core problems on iG.
Would he have worked better on LGD?
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On August 07 2015 04:07 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:06 Stalemilk wrote:On August 07 2015 04:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 07 2015 04:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 RiZu wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:00 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 Azarkon wrote:
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Even so, they finished above two top Chinese teams.
I'm just sad for Empire. Hasn't it been a while since iG or NewBee were "top Chinese teams?" Who else is there? Ehome, CDEC, LGD, VG, IG, and Newbee are the top Chinese teams and no one thought IG was behind Ehome and CDEC before this tournament. Are you sure? I don't follow the Chinese DotA scene that much but people I know who do say that iG was just overhyped because of Burning. The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC Then you hasn't been watching the chinese scene... CDEC was actually rocking in several finals. They didn't win one though. Betting site odds put it (before TI): VG > LGD > iG > Newbee = Ehome > CDEC. Statistics don't lie. More like they operate off of same logic as you, and that's faulty logic. So how much money have you made profiting off the dumb logic of bettors? 0 because i have learned 10 years ago that whenever i make a bet on something independent from me, opposite happens.
You don't get to call it faulty logic if you can't beat them...
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 07 2015 04:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 07 2015 04:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 RiZu wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:00 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
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"I can't believe how good Korean Dota is omg look Korea is going to do so much better than most Chinese teams"
"LOL I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BAD MVP IS HOW DID THEY EVEN GET THIS FAR" Even so, they finished above two top Chinese teams. I'm just sad for Empire. Hasn't it been a while since iG or NewBee were "top Chinese teams?" Who else is there? Ehome, CDEC, LGD, VG, IG, and Newbee are the top Chinese teams and no one thought IG was behind Ehome and CDEC before this tournament. Are you sure? I don't follow the Chinese DotA scene that much but people I know who do say that iG was just overhyped because of Burning. The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC Then you hasn't been watching the chinese scene... CDEC was actually rocking in several finals. They didn't win one though. Betting site odds put it (before TI): VG > LGD > iG > Newbee = Ehome > CDEC. Statistics don't lie. More like they operate off of same logic as you, and that's faulty logic. People who are betting thousands of dollars on matches generally use more logic than people posting here. Regardless, looking at past form, most people on these forums more or less agreed with the ranking. Easy to say stuff now that CDEC are in the finals and all.
CDEC were in finals way before TI, real talk.
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On August 07 2015 04:07 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:06 Stalemilk wrote:On August 07 2015 04:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 07 2015 04:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 RiZu wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:00 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 Azarkon wrote:
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Even so, they finished above two top Chinese teams.
I'm just sad for Empire. Hasn't it been a while since iG or NewBee were "top Chinese teams?" Who else is there? Ehome, CDEC, LGD, VG, IG, and Newbee are the top Chinese teams and no one thought IG was behind Ehome and CDEC before this tournament. Are you sure? I don't follow the Chinese DotA scene that much but people I know who do say that iG was just overhyped because of Burning. The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC Then you hasn't been watching the chinese scene... CDEC was actually rocking in several finals. They didn't win one though. Betting site odds put it (before TI): VG > LGD > iG > Newbee = Ehome > CDEC. Statistics don't lie. More like they operate off of same logic as you, and that's faulty logic. So how much money have you made profiting off the dumb logic of bettors? 0 because i have learned 10 years ago that whenever i make a bet on something independent from me, opposite happens.
And you are trying to argue faulty logic by using superstition? Let's end the convo here.
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haha VG respect ban to TA twice
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Northern Ireland22211 Posts
Midas blink slark, nice dmg
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Oh okay, lolfail9001 is just trolling.
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United States47024 Posts
On August 07 2015 04:08 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:07 TheYango wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:
The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC
In a vacuum that placement of IG is rightl. The problem is iG is prone to imploding when they do poorly due to certain personalities on the team. Burning, as good of a player as he is, was really not a good fit for the team, because he's not really a strong, centralizing player. He is much more quiet, passive, and plays his role on the team. He's a good player, but that's intrinsically not enough to fix the core problems on iG. Would he have worked better on LGD?
Maybe, but I don't see why LGD would need him.
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On August 07 2015 04:08 ahswtini wrote:
Midas blink slark, nice dmg
Right, that was the item sequence.
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On August 07 2015 04:07 FiWiFaKi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 07 2015 04:05 FiWiFaKi wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 RiZu wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 04:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:00 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:58 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 Azarkon wrote:On August 07 2015 03:57 PhoenixVoid wrote:
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"I can't believe how good Korean Dota is omg look Korea is going to do so much better than most Chinese teams"
"LOL I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BAD MVP IS HOW DID THEY EVEN GET THIS FAR" Even so, they finished above two top Chinese teams. I'm just sad for Empire. Hasn't it been a while since iG or NewBee were "top Chinese teams?" Who else is there? Ehome, CDEC, LGD, VG, IG, and Newbee are the top Chinese teams and no one thought IG was behind Ehome and CDEC before this tournament. Are you sure? I don't follow the Chinese DotA scene that much but people I know who do say that iG was just overhyped because of Burning. The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC Then you hasn't been watching the chinese scene... CDEC was actually rocking in several finals. They didn't win one though. Betting site odds put it (before TI): VG > LGD > iG > Newbee = Ehome > CDEC. Statistics don't lie. More like they operate off of same logic as you, and that's faulty logic. People who are betting thousands of dollars on matches generally use more logic than people posting here. Regardless, looking at past form, most people on these forums more or less agreed with the ranking. Easy to say stuff now that CDEC are in the finals and all.
of course its easy now. i told several people that ig will not be in the top8 and ehome surely will be (hence my compendium prediction) but its up to you to believe me
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I feel an Ember on VG for Hao.
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On August 07 2015 04:08 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2015 04:08 IntoTheheart wrote:On August 07 2015 04:07 TheYango wrote:On August 07 2015 04:03 Azarkon wrote:
The list given before the tournament had: LGD > VG > IG > Ehome > Newbee > CDEC
In a vacuum that placement of IG is rightl. The problem is iG is prone to imploding when they do poorly due to certain personalities on the team. Burning, as good of a player as he is, was really not a good fit for the team, because he's not really a strong, centralizing player. He is much more quiet, passive, and plays his role on the team. He's a good player, but that's intrinsically not enough to fix the core problems on iG. Would he have worked better on LGD? Maybe, but I don't see why LGD would need him.
Sure but I think that the only team that would suit a passive farming carry would be LGD, no?
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