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Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
August 04 2015 21:27 GMT
#2161
On August 05 2015 06:26 Erandorr wrote:
Guys my friend just mixed my lagavulin with coke. Murder is justified right`?


I know I would murder him
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
August 04 2015 21:27 GMT
#2162
On August 05 2015 06:24 lolfail9001 wrote:
Honestly if it was not a clear stomp, it would be game losing item pickup.

If it wasn't a clear stomp they would itemized for the late game. Deso is fine to finish the game right now.
"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 04 2015 21:27 GMT
#2163
On August 05 2015 06:26 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Lachrymose wrote:
Deso fucking sucks vs armour. God.

?????

The more armor target has the lower damage amplification deso has.

Ehhhh. It's a linear formula in regards to EHP. The negative armor formula in dota 2 is different than in dota 1 so below 0 armor actually is less efficient unless you have like negative 46 armor or something really unrealistic.

It's linear formula in regards to EHP but realistically damage amplification deso has does fall off with armor. And we don't even talk about negative armor since col has insane amounts of positive armor for even combination of ac-deso-riptide to be good against col's cores.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3796 Posts
August 04 2015 21:27 GMT
#2164
On August 05 2015 06:25 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:22 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Lachrymose wrote:
Deso fucking sucks vs armour. God.

?????


DESO FUCKING SUCKS VS ARMOUR. GOD

+ Show Spoiler +
but no seriously the marginal improvement of deso vs low armor heroes (e.g. 7 armor to 0 HAHA eg puns) is great while the marginal improvement of deso vs high armor heroes (47 armor to 40) is basically garbage. You might as well get a bf and that creep standing beside DK creates a cleave that hits DK for more than the -7 armor would have provided



Bu bu but Razor needs to right click and reduce armor faster.... [/rhetorical]
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
August 04 2015 21:28 GMT
#2165
On August 05 2015 06:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:24 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:23 Belisarius wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Lachrymose wrote:
Deso fucking sucks vs armour. God.

?????

It does. Diminishing returns and so forth.

However, sven has 8 armour and is nowhere near AC, so it's gonna wreck 3/5 of CoL I guess.

Sven has warcry. And weave.

But he always gets solo picks off. Hes not into team fighting right now.

Dagon is better in this case. I am not even kidding.

I think Sumail has this, just saying. And I'm sure he ran the pick up by his team mates. And he hates towers.

They're stomping hard, he could buy another mek for his team and they'd probably still win.
However there are better items to buy and if they were struggling against complexity it'd be a huge mistake.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
August 04 2015 21:29 GMT
#2166
Sumail is reaching the point where he can cut any hero on coL with one SoF.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 04 2015 21:29 GMT
#2167
On August 05 2015 06:28 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:27 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:24 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:23 Belisarius wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Lachrymose wrote:
Deso fucking sucks vs armour. God.

?????

It does. Diminishing returns and so forth.

However, sven has 8 armour and is nowhere near AC, so it's gonna wreck 3/5 of CoL I guess.

Sven has warcry. And weave.

But he always gets solo picks off. Hes not into team fighting right now.

Dagon is better in this case. I am not even kidding.

I think Sumail has this, just saying. And I'm sure he ran the pick up by his team mates. And he hates towers.

They're stomping hard, he could buy another mek for his team and they'd probably still win.
However there are better items to buy and if they were struggling against complexity it'd be a huge mistake.

I'm not really sure it matters as long as he backs it up with more damage. A single BF isn't that amazing a pick up either.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
August 04 2015 21:29 GMT
#2168
See Silent, that's how you dive !
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 04 2015 21:29 GMT
#2169
On August 05 2015 06:27 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:26 Nevuk wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Lachrymose wrote:
Deso fucking sucks vs armour. God.

?????

The more armor target has the lower damage amplification deso has.

Ehhhh. It's a linear formula in regards to EHP. The negative armor formula in dota 2 is different than in dota 1 so below 0 armor actually is less efficient unless you have like negative 46 armor or something really unrealistic.

It's linear formula in regards to EHP but realistically damage amplification deso has does fall off with armor. And we don't even talk about negative armor since col has insane amounts of positive armor for even combination of ac-deso-riptide to be good against col's cores.

Yeah, I think Deso is just generally crap on Ember, especially if he's this far ahead. Don't really understand the pickup.
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 21:30:21
August 04 2015 21:30 GMT
#2170
On August 05 2015 06:29 Otolia wrote:
See Silent, that's how you dive !

Blink dagger QoP a Jimmydota special
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 04 2015 21:30 GMT
#2171
Yesterday games were a lot more fun. This series is just a dumpster show atm.
Don't mind me
Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
August 04 2015 21:30 GMT
#2172
Just gg so we can finish the games before midnight
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 04 2015 21:30 GMT
#2173
So, what was plan of picking timber into naga+cm?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
August 04 2015 21:30 GMT
#2174
On August 05 2015 06:26 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Lachrymose wrote:
Deso fucking sucks vs armour. God.

?????

The more armor target has the lower damage amplification deso has.

Ehhhh. It's a linear formula in regards to EHP. The negative armor formula in dota 2 is different than in dota 1 so below 0 armor actually is less efficient unless you have like negative 46 armor or something really unrealistic.


sigh

let's say a hero has 0 armor and 1000 physical effective hp (pehp)

this hero at 1 armor has 1060 pehp

at 2 armor, 1120 pehp.

so yes, it's linear. BUT LINEAR FUCKING SUCKS HERE SINCE YOU'RE ALWAYS COMPARING IT TO A BASE CONDITION AND NOT CONSIDERING MARGINAL VALUE

1060/1000 = 6% increase in PEHP

1120/1060 = 5.66% increase in PEHP

...

etc.

so to reiterate -armor is definitely worse against heroes with high armor. math.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-04 21:31:05
August 04 2015 21:30 GMT
#2175
On August 05 2015 06:29 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 06:28 Unleashing wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:27 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:26 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:25 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:24 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:23 Belisarius wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Plansix wrote:
On August 05 2015 06:22 Lachrymose wrote:
Deso fucking sucks vs armour. God.

?????

It does. Diminishing returns and so forth.

However, sven has 8 armour and is nowhere near AC, so it's gonna wreck 3/5 of CoL I guess.

Sven has warcry. And weave.

But he always gets solo picks off. Hes not into team fighting right now.

Dagon is better in this case. I am not even kidding.

I think Sumail has this, just saying. And I'm sure he ran the pick up by his team mates. And he hates towers.

They're stomping hard, he could buy another mek for his team and they'd probably still win.
However there are better items to buy and if they were struggling against complexity it'd be a huge mistake.

I'm not really sure it matters as long as he backs it up with more damage. A single BF isn't that amazing a pick up either.


Single BF is really bad but every single pro ember buys it and then goes crit/MKB/skadi etc. Pros just build ember weird.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
August 04 2015 21:31 GMT
#2176
On August 05 2015 06:30 ptbl wrote:
Yesterday games were a lot more fun. This series is just a dumpster show atm.


I hink watching col get dumpstered is fun
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Baozi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1191 Posts
August 04 2015 21:31 GMT
#2177
deso works on buildings guys, just saying
"Universe is very spacey, we called him space man. He made a lot of space." - Arteezy
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 04 2015 21:31 GMT
#2178
Majority of pros just think that bf is farming item.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
August 04 2015 21:31 GMT
#2179
Col please just GG so I can catch at least one Secret game before accumulated sleep deprivation claims my life.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 04 2015 21:31 GMT
#2180
On August 05 2015 06:31 Baozi wrote:
deso works on buildings guys, just saying

Ember is not supposed to hit buildings, just saying.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
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