EPT[MDL] LAN Finals Day 4 - Semi-Finals - Page 49
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braincandy
Philippines179 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:20 Azarkon wrote: You guys still act as though it took no skill to survive that sort of draft. Yes, they were farming, but C9 at one stage had complete map control and Secret was not able to take a fight. S4 was dying every minute. Arteezy every two minutes. Only Zai had the ability to turn fights. That took a lot of skill. A lesser team with the same draft in the same situation crumbles. Complete map control matters against split pushing. If team just groups up as 5 and takes objectives, map control is useless. I mean, it's WP by Secret without a doubt (outside of that moment with 3 whiffed ults), but come on. I mean, Arteezy after his initial deaths was completely left alone to farm everything including towers. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
And if you really have to draft this kind of line up gyro is like 50x better than pl at team fighting and sieging. What a waste of time. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:22 lolfail9001 wrote: Complete map control matters against split pushing. If team just groups up as 5 and takes objectives, map control is useless. I mean, it's WP by Secret without a doubt (outside of that moment with 3 whiffed ults), but come on. I mean, Arteezy after his initial deaths was completely left alone to farm everything including towers. What I find impressive about Secret is that their line up was obviously a five man line-up, yet they split pushed knowing they were going to give up kills to a mobile gank line up because that was the only way to keep up on farm and exp after the initial shitty start. Had they grouped up and tried to take five man fights before they were ready, C9 destroys them. Only by dragging the game past 20-25 minutes were they able to make those comeback fights with their full line up online. The patience, the ability to not panic even when they were behind by over 15 kills, and being able to read the situation exactly - ie knowing the timings, is what makes this team the best at the moment. | ||
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jojos11
Korea (North)314 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:26 Azarkon wrote: What I find impressive about Secret is that their line up was obviously a five man line-up, yet they split pushed knowing they were going to give up kills to a mobile gank line up because that was the only way to keep up on farm and exp after the initial shitty start. Had they grouped up and tried to take five man fights before they were ready, C9 destroys them. Only by dragging the game past 20-25 minutes were they able to make those comeback fights with their full line up online. The patience, the ability to not panic even when they were behind by over 15 kills, and being able to read the situation exactly - ie not allowing the score to get into their head, is what makes this team the best at the moment. Composure is good, no doubt. But once again, come on, how the fuck would C9 even end game at 20-25 minute mark? They have shit ability to get objectives after all. In the end, in hindsight, game would likely be more C9 favored if they picked pugna or something instead of Pl. | ||
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:26 jojos11 wrote: switch their draft,C9 probably GG 15-20min in Nah s4 would never draft something like that, plus kky and ppy are much better at playing defensive supports than balls to the wall style. Misery and n0tail are like the exact antithesis of that, when they play defensively they make to many mistakes. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:26 jojos11 wrote: switch their draft,C9 probably GG 15-20min in Well that would emply an EE QoP so maybe. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
bit cocky with the BoT and upgrade despite the momentum lead they had imo. it was actually frustrating to watch as a secret fan until the late midgame because they could find nothing. there were even darkseer, QoP ults whiffing and finding nothing which forced secret to play from deficit around the map. they fully well knew that stacking heroes in lanes for kills means that farm is washing up against towers or isn't being distributed very efficiently. sure looked fun though. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:27 lolfail9001 wrote: Composure is good, no doubt. But once again, come on, how the fuck would C9 even end game at 20-25 minute mark? They have shit ability to get objectives after all. In the end, in hindsight, game would likely be more C9 favored if they picked pugna or something instead of Pl. PL is one of EE's favorite heroes and it is not a bad hero against Secret's draft. It doesn't push the best but C9's draft was not designed for pushing. It was designed for ganking and fighting, creating chaos and allowing EE to carry later on. PL does beat all of Secret's cores in the late game when backed up by a Refresher Aghs Zeus. That's how C9 thinks. Drafting a Pugna basically forces them to push and I don't think this line up was designed to do that. Why pick Tuskar and SB to push? | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:32 OzVelas wrote: maybe it's time to let fata or misery taking the role of drafter can't be worst than ee/bone7 They made the semifinals,it's still kinda okay. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:30 Azarkon wrote: PL is one of EE's favorite heroes and it is not a bad hero against Secret's draft. It doesn't push the best but C9's draft was not designed for pushing. It was designed for ganking and fighting, creating chaos and allowing EE to carry later on. PL does beat all of Secret's cores in the late game when backed up by a Refresher Aghs Zeus. That's how C9 thinks. Drafting a Pugna basically forces them to push and I don't think this line up was designed to do that. Why pick Tuskar and SB to push? Hence i said pugna or something. They needed something that can actually do shit in midgame teamfights and get or at least trade objectives quickly. | ||
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jojos11
Korea (North)314 Posts
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
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Lancehead
Canada123 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:30 Azarkon wrote: PL is one of EE's favorite heroes and it is not a bad hero against Secret's draft. It doesn't push the best but C9's draft was not designed for pushing. It was designed for ganking and fighting, creating chaos and allowing EE to carry later on. PL does beat all of Secret's cores in the late game when backed up by a Refresher Aghs Zeus. That's how C9 thinks. Drafting a Pugna basically forces them to push and I don't think this line up was designed to do that. Why pick Tuskar and SB to push? I think the issue is that you don't want to take SB, Tusk, and Bane into the late game, even with a farmed PL and Zeus. They're just too single target oriented and can't teamfight. C9's ability to find pick offs were mostly due to the Tusk/SB/Zeus. In hindsight, they would have been better off picking a carry that could transition those early ganks into objectives and snowball from there. On June 06 2015 20:32 OzVelas wrote: maybe it's time to let fata or misery taking the role of drafter can't be worst than ee/bone7 I wonder if C9 have considered switching drafters between or even mid-series. Bone and Envy obviously have very different styles of drafting and the rest of the squad all have very different perspectives on the game. They could catch other teams off guard if they change things up every now and then and prevent other teams from preparing against them. Wonder if that would be feasible. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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goody153
44191 Posts
On June 06 2015 20:22 braincandy wrote: C9 fans. give up on this team. they're just breaking your hearts. lol if i want a team just because they win i'd be rooting at secret/eg .. i root for a team because i like their playstyle/persona/whatever not cause they are winning On June 06 2015 20:41 lolfail9001 wrote: Finals are Bo5, right? I am just curious if Secret will manage to have flawless tourney. i predict a 3-2 or 3-1 in favor of secret | ||
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