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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
June 06 2015 11:14 GMT
#941
On June 06 2015 20:14 Snakesneaks wrote:
could only imagine if that is skadi instead of bot2

Wait a minute, since when skadi costs 4000 gold?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
kazyv
Profile Joined May 2013
273 Posts
June 06 2015 11:14 GMT
#942
On June 06 2015 20:07 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:07 Spicy_Curry wrote:
well you have to think that bots 2 doesnt increase pl's farm speed more than a yasha/diffusal

Farm speed is fairly irrelevant when you can't fight and get it forced on you.

farmspeed is exaclty what matters in this situation, if you can't fight you need to farm until you can
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19135 Posts
June 06 2015 11:14 GMT
#943
Woahhh dat game haha. If they can't do it after that start, they can't do it ever. That's gotta mindgame the fuck out of them next time they meet.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
June 06 2015 11:15 GMT
#944
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:09 Azarkon wrote:
Same as the series vs. Ehome. Secret just so hard to beat even when they're behind. Of course, it helps that these two teams are both not that great at late game.

secret was never behind, idk what you're talking about

c9 needed to somehow take a rax before 30 to be ahead with their draft


They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it.

Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights.

c9's networth/exp lead peaked roughly at 3k

20 minutes in, that's not really a lead... it's actually a deficit with tusk/sb/bane on one side
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jojos11
Profile Joined March 2014
Korea (North)314 Posts
June 06 2015 11:15 GMT
#945
fun fact: C9 biggest lead was like 3k gold this game while leading with 14 kills
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
June 06 2015 11:15 GMT
#946
On June 06 2015 20:14 traumatism wrote:
Why can't my 0 stun pub lineups go like this?

Your 0 stun pub line-ups suck at grouping as 5 with good damage in teamfights?
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 06 2015 11:15 GMT
#947
Double travelboot with just yasha diffusal, EE is a genius.
Ingvar
Profile Joined April 2015
Russian Federation421 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 11:16:29
June 06 2015 11:16 GMT
#948
Itemization of RTZ and Envy says it all. Clown9 just doing Clown9 things.
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 06 2015 11:16 GMT
#949
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:09 Azarkon wrote:
Same as the series vs. Ehome. Secret just so hard to beat even when they're behind. Of course, it helps that these two teams are both not that great at late game.

secret was never behind, idk what you're talking about

c9 needed to somehow take a rax before 30 to be ahead with their draft


They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it.

Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights.


6-22 with nothing more than like a 2k networth lead...

6-22 was a very misleading stat because with C9's draft having only 2-3k lead at that point is just nowhere near enough.
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Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 11:18:47
June 06 2015 11:16 GMT
#950
On June 06 2015 20:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:09 Azarkon wrote:
Same as the series vs. Ehome. Secret just so hard to beat even when they're behind. Of course, it helps that these two teams are both not that great at late game.

secret was never behind, idk what you're talking about

c9 needed to somehow take a rax before 30 to be ahead with their draft


They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it.

Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights.

6-22 and gold difference was 1k


Edit: accidentally posted empty-.-

Exactly, they were never that behind, they kept up with the farm. The jungle Kotl worked out really well. And I think the Bot2 was huge missplay, even if you manage to tp in for every kill it barely beats a simple bot and other farming item, and it delays your progression into mid/late game. It basically gave up the momentum that the early game kills gave them
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
June 06 2015 11:16 GMT
#951
On June 06 2015 20:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:09 Azarkon wrote:
Same as the series vs. Ehome. Secret just so hard to beat even when they're behind. Of course, it helps that these two teams are both not that great at late game.

secret was never behind, idk what you're talking about

c9 needed to somehow take a rax before 30 to be ahead with their draft


They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it.

Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights.

6-22 and gold difference was 1k


It was 3-4k at one stage, and yes, that's a testament to how well Secret plays even when dying all around the map.

Put another team in their place and watch them fail in the same situation because they group up and crumble.
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 06 2015 11:16 GMT
#952
obligatory "kills don't matter" here
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
June 06 2015 11:16 GMT
#953
i understand the lvl 2 travel with sb
they needed to deal with the splitpush
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Lancehead
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada123 Posts
June 06 2015 11:16 GMT
#954
On June 06 2015 20:15 jojos11 wrote:
fun fact: C9 biggest lead was like 3k gold this game while leading with 14 kills


How does that even happen? Did Secret just farm like crazy and buy out every time they get ganked?
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
June 06 2015 11:17 GMT
#955
On June 06 2015 20:16 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:14 lolfail9001 wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:13 Azarkon wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:10 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On June 06 2015 20:09 Azarkon wrote:
Same as the series vs. Ehome. Secret just so hard to beat even when they're behind. Of course, it helps that these two teams are both not that great at late game.

secret was never behind, idk what you're talking about

c9 needed to somehow take a rax before 30 to be ahead with their draft


They were 6-22 at one stage. Yes, C9 needed to keep the momentum up to win with their draft - and they were doing it.

Of course, Secret was never that behind because they didn't break down just because they lost a few team fights.

6-22 and gold difference was 1k


It was 3-4k at one stage, and yes, that's a testament to how well Secret plays even when dying all around the map.

Put another team in their place and watch them fail in the same situation because they group up and crumble.

I mean, when one side was feeding, other 2 were farming away, so yeah, Secret is no C9 when it comes to composure and we know that already anyways.
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roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
June 06 2015 11:17 GMT
#956
too many people commenting without understanding that secret were way ahead on the draft already and they had a much higher margin for error
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 11:19:39
June 06 2015 11:18 GMT
#957
On June 06 2015 20:16 Lancehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:15 jojos11 wrote:
fun fact: C9 biggest lead was like 3k gold this game while leading with 14 kills


How does that even happen? Did Secret just farm like crazy and buy out every time they get ganked?

if you saw the lasthits chart at 15 minutes it would've been obvious

kotl pretty mcuh started jungling at level 2 or 3 or so and ds outfarmed pl; meanwhile sb (the ds counterpart) had 3 last hits and there was no equivalent farmer between the tusk/bane (as opposed to the jungling kotl, who, while behind bane in networth slightly for a bit, didn't fall far behind)
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Evander Berry Wall
Profile Joined June 2014
United States1137 Posts
June 06 2015 11:19 GMT
#958
On June 06 2015 20:16 Lancehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2015 20:15 jojos11 wrote:
fun fact: C9 biggest lead was like 3k gold this game while leading with 14 kills


How does that even happen? Did Secret just farm like crazy and buy out every time they get ganked?


Much more dedicated farming, more farming efficiency, the enormous benefit of Track gold, and the fact that C9 actually never established much of a tower lead (their biggest mistake might relate to that point).
jojos11
Profile Joined March 2014
Korea (North)314 Posts
June 06 2015 11:19 GMT
#959
s4 actually played bad this game even with the tusk,spiritbreaker,bane factor
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 11:21:23
June 06 2015 11:20 GMT
#960
You guys still act as though it took no skill to survive that sort of draft. Yes, they were farming, but C9 at one stage had complete map control and Secret was not able to take a fight. S4 was dying every minute. Arteezy every two minutes. Kuroky had no levels and Puppey was being dived on with two charges and a blink. Only Zai had the ability to turn fights.

That took a lot of skill. A lesser team with the same draft in the same situation crumbles.
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