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On June 05 2015 05:44 Evander Berry Wall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 05:18 Nyan wrote:On June 05 2015 02:19 Faruko wrote:On June 05 2015 01:17 Thetwinmasters wrote:
the year is 2015 and tournaments still use shitty single elim formats woo rofl, this is the real format, not that terrible loser brackets format. With a LB you decide the best teams. Without a LB you only decide the best team. Well, in a single elimination bracket the lowest unique position is 2nd. In a double elimination bracket, the lowest unique position is 4th. In the incredibly scarce triple elimination bracket, the lowest unique position is 6th. In a round robin is there is of course no real boundary, and potentially nothing but unique positions or a majority of participants in a tie. Notice how it's never 3rd? Anyhow. the value of the tournament format depends on what you want out of it. I personally put higher priority on a thorough comparison of skill, which is a reason that a single elimination is like the worst thing for me. EDIT: Alternatively, a round robin with only bo1 matches is pretty bad. It's also worse if instead of a full round robin it is instead sub-divided into arbitrary groups. And at this point, I have described every element of this tournament's format. Hah.
That's as much a criticism of bo1/3 as it is of single elim though. I'd be curious to see if a single elim all bo5 top8 is more or less valid than a double elim bracket with only bo3, no winner's advantage.
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On June 05 2015 06:04 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 05:44 Evander Berry Wall wrote:On June 05 2015 05:18 Nyan wrote:On June 05 2015 02:19 Faruko wrote:On June 05 2015 01:17 Thetwinmasters wrote:
the year is 2015 and tournaments still use shitty single elim formats woo rofl, this is the real format, not that terrible loser brackets format. With a LB you decide the best teams. Without a LB you only decide the best team. Well, in a single elimination bracket the lowest unique position is 2nd. In a double elimination bracket, the lowest unique position is 4th. In the incredibly scarce triple elimination bracket, the lowest unique position is 6th. In a round robin is there is of course no real boundary, and potentially nothing but unique positions or a majority of participants in a tie. Notice how it's never 3rd? Anyhow. the value of the tournament format depends on what you want out of it. I personally put higher priority on a thorough comparison of skill, which is a reason that a single elimination is like the worst thing for me. EDIT: Alternatively, a round robin with only bo1 matches is pretty bad. It's also worse if instead of a full round robin it is instead sub-divided into arbitrary groups. And at this point, I have described every element of this tournament's format. Hah. That's as much a criticism of bo1/3 as it is of single elim though. I'd be curious to see if a single elim all bo5 top8 is more or less valid than a double elim bracket with only bo3, no winner's advantage.
I don't know if your exact proposition would hold, but yes I would say the number of games you have teams play makes a huge difference. The problem is that it also inflates tournament time enormously (compare your scenarios on the basis of time and ask yourself if it's faster or longer). It's not just time, but other logistical factors as well. This is practically always the dichotomy in tournament format. You can choose a more presentable format, or you can choose a more thorough format.
I must add, however, that one thing bo5 single elimination bracket will never do is be as comprehensive as a double elimination bracket (and a double elimination bracket will never be as comprehensive as a round robin), and what I mean by that is how many teams play each other. One of the worst things about a single elimination is that you could theoretically be first slotted against a team you will lose to in a tournament with four teams you could beat.
If no logistics were beyond reach, and presentation were damned, the single most thorough thing you could do is have every single team in one big round robin play each other a fixed number of games, as many games as possible, and simply given one point for each win. But you're not going to see that because there are logistical limits and people do care about presentation. Such is the trade-off.
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Single Elimination are only there just to give an unfair advantage to Tier 1 teams because theres almost 0 chance that a lower tier team would be a top team twice in a row.
So you can assure that top teams would be on the finals in a "fair" way.
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On June 05 2015 10:00 Faruko wrote:
Single Elimination are only there just to give an unfair advantage to Tier 1 teams because theres almost 0 chance that a lower tier team would be a top team twice in a row.
So you can assure that top teams would be on the finals in a "fair" way.
I assume you meant double elim give an unfair advantage as a lowest team needs to beat them twice and it's then harder fpr the challenger. i definitely agree on that.
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On June 05 2015 10:00 Faruko wrote:
Single Elimination are only there just to give an unfair advantage to Tier 1 teams because theres almost 0 chance that a lower tier team would be a top team twice in a row.
So you can assure that top teams would be on the finals in a "fair" way.
It's equal opportunity. The lower tier team can lose the first time then win the second time and advance by only beating the Tier 1 team once...
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LGD and Empire... :'( Hope one of them goes all the way!
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Time for Secret to wreck Ehome!
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Holy shitballs those odds against EHOME.
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On June 05 2015 13:38 Moobutt wrote:
Holy shitballs those odds against EHOME.
CDEC's got it worse.
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Naga ResidentSleeper
RTZ Naga or Leshrac?
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Finally, Arteezy shows the Naga that he's been climbing with.
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Leshrac AND Naga..........
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They don't have enough time for non-overlapping quarterfinals in their schedule?
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This is the arteezy draft
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this isn't rtz naga i think
you have to remember this
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holy shit that's so greedy
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if this is a core naga secret fucking lost
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Secret with the fun draft.
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This draft is either gonna wreck hard and demoralize Ehome or backfire hideously and give very few people a fuckton of items
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EPT
