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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:12 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: what does "the bye bye burden" refer to? Zhou played badly during TI3 and was kicked from iG. Then Chuan tweeted "bye bye burden" as a nice way of saying goodbye. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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goody153
44236 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:13 mutantmagnet wrote: China according to people who have watched this game the longest has dominated during Dota 1 so they had a certain aura of being the country of Dream Teams like USA used to be for Basketball. Since the Dota 2 transition the power gap has been moving like a rollercoaster. Most likely next year China will be back dominating the scene. As for your question about Chuan. He did do that as TI2 and it shouldn't surprise anyone that he regularly does it. Well they still kinda ruled (maybe not unbeatable) the dota 2 scene upto this DAC. | ||
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Checkm8
Japan627 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:12 beifru wrote: When they kicked Zhou out for Luo (lol), Chuan typed into his Weibo (chinese twitter) "bye bye burden" They kicked Zhou for Hao, then was replaced by Luo. I think Luo would make a better 4/5 than 1/3. And I think with Ch already just a standin IF ever Burning really goes back to pro and plays with iG I think Luo wouldn't be kicked and instead moved to 4/5. | ||
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govie
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
Jesus, I am dying hahahah. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:10 Kipsate wrote: if anything the bye bye burden should signal enough how toxic Chuan is as a teammate, similairly XBOCT also has attitude problems, both are excellent players but need to be reigned in. xboct can't be that bad, he's been on the same team for literally the longest out of all top Dota 2 pro players. And even if Na'Vi did have roster shuffles, it's still one of the most stable teams in the whole scene overall. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:19 cecek wrote: xboct can't be that bad, he's been on the same team for literally the longest out of all top Dota 2 pro players. And even if Na'Vi did have roster shuffles, it's still one of the most stable teams in the whole scene overall. Yeah, Xbost's attitude isn't nearly as bad as Chuan's. He is known for being emotional, but he isn't known for running around and accusing his teammates for every match they are losing, and even after he did that one time because of TI finals he still apologized in the end afaik. | ||
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goody153
44236 Posts
lol i have the wrong context | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:07 Salazarz wrote: This isn't so much because Xboct is a 'better offlane than carry' or some nonsense, but because he is playing much better than Funn1k and is consistently able to find kills / farm out of offlane then transitions into jungle, while Funn1k is left to farm up in safelane instead of going 0-5 in 15 minutes. Xboct's playstyle wouldn't suit a traditional offlaner very well, would be a massive waste of his farming talent. Xboct fanboi detected He's been really good this tournament, but are you really comparing an offensive trilane with the role Funn1k is usually given? He gets shitty 1v3 offlanes most of the times so that Xboct can farm safely, it's either feed a bit or leave the lane altogether and let the supports do whatever they want. | ||
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cecek
Czech Republic18921 Posts
C9 have to win 2 to secure themselves. 1 win can work out, but then LGD/HGT/EHOME/Rave can knock them out of top8. Should be easy for HR (1 win against Rave, TongFu), pretty ok for iG (1 win against C9, HGT) and pretty tough for C9 (EG, iG, LGD). edit: Actually, if iG goes 0-2, HR 1-1 and HGT goes 3-0. Then we have iG, HR and HGT at 8-7 tied at 7th-9th. That's the only way 1 win doesn't guarantee HR a top8. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:56 PoP wrote: Xboct fanboi detected He's been really good this tournament, but are you really comparing an offensive trilane with the role Funn1k is usually given? He gets shitty 1v3 offlanes most of the times so that Xboct can farm safely, it's either feed a bit or leave the lane altogether and let the supports do whatever they want. Fair enough, but XBOCT actually has played true offlane Centaur (and maybe juggernaut once iirc) against trilanes a few times when funn1k got safelane axe or warlock and goblak jungled chen and vanskor was off roaming around. | ||
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Genie_
Canada57 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:56 PoP wrote: Xboct fanboi detected He's been really good this tournament, but are you really comparing an offensive trilane with the role Funn1k is usually given? He gets shitty 1v3 offlanes most of the times so that Xboct can farm safely, it's either feed a bit or leave the lane altogether and let the supports do whatever they want. he played offlane jugg solo/offlane cent solo and did 20x as well as funn1k did when he played offlane. Funn1k's slumping and hes playing really poorly. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
On February 02 2015 02:36 Genie_ wrote: he played offlane jugg solo/offlane cent solo and did 20x as well as funn1k did when he played offlane. Funn1k's slumping and hes playing really poorly. Funn1k has been the weak point of Na'vi for quite some time. Xboct played kinda shaky before but if he plays like he has been doing this tournament, he's good enough to be part of a top team. If they just get rid of Funn1k and get Bulldong or some other competent offlaner, Na'vi can be a good team once again. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On February 02 2015 01:56 PoP wrote: Xboct fanboi detected He's been really good this tournament, but are you really comparing an offensive trilane with the role Funn1k is usually given? He gets shitty 1v3 offlanes most of the times so that Xboct can farm safely, it's either feed a bit or leave the lane altogether and let the supports do whatever they want. I love Funn1k, but in this tournament he's one of the worst players all around, not just on Na'Vi. He single-handedly lost Na'Vi at the very least one game, and nearly threw two more just off top of my hand (hi void). Even played out of very carefully managed safelane, he's made a lot of very poor decisions and haven't performed well at all in most of Na'Vi's games. Funn1k's hero pool also doesn't fit the current meta very well I feel. You seem to be misunderstanding my original statement though; of course it's easier to do well in a strong aggro trilane than as a solo whatever vs tri, and I'm not saying Xboct would be running around with 10k networth 15 minutes in on a solo Centaur or something - but he does much better than Funn1k would as the core in aggressive trilane there's very little doubt about that, so as long as the drafts allow it's better to put Xboct into the aggro tri and leave Funn1k in the safelane. Funn1k has been the weak point of Na'vi for quite some time. Xboct played kinda shaky before but if he plays like he has been doing this tournament, he's good enough to be part of a top team. If they just get rid of Funn1k and get Bulldong or some other competent offlaner, Na'vi can be a good team once again I really hope they don't do any getting rid of's at least until after TI5, if at all. People were all doom and gloom about the current Na'Vi lineup for ages, supposedly Xboct is 4, Dendi is washed up, Vanskor and Goblak both useless and yet here they are showing up very well so far. What they need is to keep the roster stable and ignore all the drama and bullshit expectations, and just keep practicing and working on their coordination. Yes, Funn1k hasn't been great mechanically in this tournament; but he's also known for being the worst traveler on their entire team (he has far worse jetlag issues, adjusting to food, new environments, sleeping etc than anyone else on Na'Vi). We all know he has the potential and talent to play at the top. Any kind of roster swaps would potentially lead to more communication issues, more adjustments and adaptation required - there's really no reason for that. Even a 7-8th place finish in DAC would be a solid result given all their recent trouble, and it's fairly obvious they can do better than that. | ||
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