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Valhalla44
Profile Joined May 2010
Bosnia-Herzegovina983 Posts
January 30 2015 07:11 GMT
#461
This game is just 4 core strat from EHOME.
EHOME had similar game 2 vs BigGods in DAC asia qualifer.
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
January 30 2015 07:11 GMT
#462
On January 30 2015 16:07 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 16:07 trinxified wrote:
A little bit offtopic, but it's about Chen and ancient creeps.

There are 2 missing Ancient camps in Dota 2... How come?

Valve got lazy and didn't add them.

There's some visual assets for them, but for whatever reason, it just wasn't high priority to put them in the game.



Actually Icefrog after talking with Dota 1 pros made a decision way back that the camp with Evasion won't be ported into Dota 2. The players hated the variability it caused in ancient farming and he ended up agreeing with them. I still don't see why he hasn't removed them from WC3 Dota.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
January 30 2015 07:11 GMT
#463
On January 30 2015 16:07 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 16:07 trinxified wrote:
A little bit offtopic, but it's about Chen and ancient creeps.

There are 2 missing Ancient camps in Dota 2... How come?

Valve got lazy and didn't add them.

There's some visual assets for them, but for whatever reason, it just wasn't high priority to put them in the game.

They probably want to wait until they have balance-tested them a bit too. Also maybe they will finally get rid of mud golems. They'll just redo jungle creeps in a major patch called BEEP BEEP CREEP JEEP. Gyrocopter will slaughter all the jungle creeps and then the CREEP JEEP will bring all the new ones in to the tune of Dubstep West Virginia.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
January 30 2015 07:11 GMT
#464
On January 30 2015 16:07 SleepyDreams wrote:
This EHOME reminds me of the EHOME of 2010. Teams just could not push high ground against them. First C9 now HR... They have the talent and raw skill like DK of 2014. However, the one big major difference is, this EHOME has the ability to take the high ground when their behind 10k gold while DK of 2014 would just crumble when their behind and even when their miles ahead.

The inflame WK has been employed against greedy jungle strats as of late. Whenever a team picks doom or a greedy jungler, EHOME picks up the 4 support WK into carry. Interestingly, Lycan + WK is one of their go to combo's when they pick up the lycan. Lycan is able to jungle at 5mins and give the farm and levels to WK + AA.


if HR tried to push highground 30 minutes ago they could, but they were busy diving fountains and feeding kills.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
January 30 2015 07:12 GMT
#465
On January 30 2015 16:11 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 16:07 TheYango wrote:
On January 30 2015 16:07 trinxified wrote:
A little bit offtopic, but it's about Chen and ancient creeps.

There are 2 missing Ancient camps in Dota 2... How come?

Valve got lazy and didn't add them.

There's some visual assets for them, but for whatever reason, it just wasn't high priority to put them in the game.


They are a big deal somewhat, like the evasion creeps. I don't see the reason why they will be omitted forever though.

Eh the fact that some aren't magic immune changes balance a little bit
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 30 2015 07:12 GMT
#466
On January 30 2015 16:11 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 16:07 TheYango wrote:
On January 30 2015 16:07 trinxified wrote:
A little bit offtopic, but it's about Chen and ancient creeps.

There are 2 missing Ancient camps in Dota 2... How come?

Valve got lazy and didn't add them.

There's some visual assets for them, but for whatever reason, it just wasn't high priority to put them in the game.


They are a big deal somewhat, like the evasion creeps. I don't see the reason why they will be omitted forever though.

I mean it sort of balances out because Dragonspawns are like the easiest Ancients to farm since they're not Magic Immune, but Jungle Stalkers are annoying as shit.
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ref4
Profile Joined March 2012
2933 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-30 07:13:10
January 30 2015 07:12 GMT
#467
why isn't this AA getting a scepter he's got 4.5K and all
mutantmagnet
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3789 Posts
January 30 2015 07:13 GMT
#468
On January 30 2015 16:11 Valhalla44 wrote:
This game is just 4 core strat from EHOME.
EHOME had similar game 2 vs BigGods in DAC asia qualifer.


Ehome have been running 4 core multiple games during the qualifiers but this wasn't their typical 4 core game. The game has been going on long enough to get support WK some farm.
Snakesneaks
Profile Joined February 2013
Italy2652 Posts
January 30 2015 07:13 GMT
#469
oh lumi, how GD studio doing work
Otacon : Snake, Snake, Snaaaaakkkkeeeeeeeeeee..............
ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
January 30 2015 07:13 GMT
#470
AA needs a scythe or Aghs.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
January 30 2015 07:14 GMT
#471
I quit

what the fuck are you doing HR, leaving that DD there especially
ffxiv enjoyer
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-30 07:16:43
January 30 2015 07:14 GMT
#472
On January 30 2015 16:07 SleepyDreams wrote:
This EHOME reminds me of the EHOME of 2010. Teams just could not push high ground against them. First C9 now HR... They have the talent and raw skill like DK of 2014. However, the one big major difference is, this EHOME has the ability to defend the high ground when their behind 10k gold while DK of 2014 would just crumble when their behind and even when their miles ahead.

The inflame WK has been employed against greedy jungle strats as of late. Whenever a team picks doom or a greedy jungler, EHOME picks up the 4 support WK into carry. Interestingly, Lycan + WK is one of their go to combo's when they pick up the lycan. Lycan is able to jungle at 5mins and give the farm and levels to WK + AA.


You're favourably comparing a team who's nearly losing to HR to the team who dominated a large portion of last year.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
cravin74
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1088 Posts
January 30 2015 07:15 GMT
#473
HR staring at the DD rune...
ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
January 30 2015 07:16 GMT
#474
its over EHOME's done it I think.. damn. that was close.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
January 30 2015 07:16 GMT
#475
On January 30 2015 16:10 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 16:07 Azarkon wrote:
Don't you feel that the Chinese solo laners just aren't delivering lately? They look worse and worse vs. international players.

I mean, this is sort of the culmination of the general apathy of the collective DotA 2 scene in China since TI4. I feel like China expects to just turn it on after the Lunar New Year, but I don't really know if that's actually enough time to make back the lost ground this year.

There are some great players who are really working hard scattered on several teams, but most of them are just struggling super hard while the rest of their team dicks around. Hopefully the reshuffle puts enough of these players together that we actually get a real team that can compete by TI5, and not just sponsors trying to buy "star" players that aren't trying hard.


Yea, I had a feeling it had to do with players dicking around, despite how illogical that is. Surely Chinese players know that DAC is going to greatly affect their shots of making it into a decent team during the reshuffle. But then again, I also knew from a long time ago that Chinese teams don't always look at 'merit' when it comes to recruiting players, connections and all.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
January 30 2015 07:16 GMT
#476
On January 30 2015 16:10 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2015 16:06 Azarkon wrote:
On January 30 2015 16:02 beifru wrote:
On January 30 2015 15:55 Azarkon wrote:
On January 30 2015 15:55 goody153 wrote:
On January 30 2015 15:45 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On January 30 2015 15:42 TomatoBisque wrote:
On January 30 2015 15:35 bagels21 wrote:
On January 30 2015 15:34 beifru wrote:
On January 30 2015 15:28 Fire Turtles wrote:
Here's my (probably shitty) analysis that you shouldn't take too seriously: The Chinese have lost their efficiency, at least relative to EG/Secret and a few other teams. They probably lane better and teamfight better than them, but for some reason all the games I saw yesterday had the Chinese team never really leading by more than 5-6k however far ahead they were in kills when playing a non-Chinese team.

Of course, small sample size and all that, but still.


The EG games were pretty close tbh. But Secret is demolishing all teams just the same.

Actually, quite a few surprises here and there like Rave and Ehome. But that just comes with every BO1 groupstage.


EG played the hardest first day by far; Secret played a bunch of tier2 teams and then stomped c9

tbh the teams Secret has been beating have been mostly better than the team's EG has been beating, based on current W/L records Secret's beaten two 2-2 teams, a 1-2 team, and an 0-3 team (soon to be 0-4). EG beat a pair of 1-3 teams, a 1-4 team, and a 3-1 team. Only the VG win for EG really stands out to me.

Well, sure, if you only look at Day 1 scores...

No denying that EG beat the teams people expected to do well, and Secret beat teams that were expected to be average/bad (except C9).

Results so far basically show that Chinese teams were being highly overrated, though.

wait for playoffs .. i expect LGD/newbee/VG to smash everybody


Guarantee that won't happen. At best VG and LGD upsets.


Not much hope for Newbee tbh. Unless they suddenly achieved enlightenment and went super Saiyan.

I expect LGD and VG to place top 4 though. Inside info is that LGD has been wrecking everyone in scrims since 3 weeks back. If they find their mojo and not spiral downward like yesterday, it should be fine.

VG seems pretty stable. Since their loss against EG yesterday, their games so far have been one sided stomps with no mercy. But I have a feeling they wont place first this tournament somehow.

Overall everyone on sgamer and gamefy has the consensus that Secret is gonna take DAC if no one figures them out. Which I think is the case, but I won't be surprised if they get upset by EG, VG, LGD or even EHOME.


Yea, Secret and EG look top 2 but EG looks a bit weaker despite having a great day 1.

What does gamefy and sgamer say about Chinese teams?


Everyone there is pretty supportive of Secret tbh. Its quite surprising.

They also love Sumail. They expect EG, Secret, VG, LGD and EHOME to dish it out for the top 3 places.

General opinion is that IG is a dead team and Newbee has a sliver of hope if they get their shit together before the playoffs.

Really interesting, thanks!
I actually agree pretty much completely with that analysis from what I've seen so far.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-30 07:16:30
January 30 2015 07:16 GMT
#477
edit: i can't edit
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 30 2015 07:16 GMT
#478
So, HR are going full 322 here? Also, i was hoping ARTES would win Rabbit award, but he died apparently T_T
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
January 30 2015 07:16 GMT
#479
lol hr
Logic fails because we are lazy.
Nocticate
Profile Joined May 2013
Vatican City State2902 Posts
January 30 2015 07:17 GMT
#480
what was that game
Chairman Mao tells us imperialist Dota is a paper tiger
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