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Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
October 10 2014 02:00 GMT
#3221
inb4 c9 picks naga/tb and goes for 60+ min games.
calmasfok
Profile Joined September 2014
91 Posts
October 10 2014 02:00 GMT
#3222
On October 10 2014 10:58 Snorkle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:53 TMG26 wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:51 calmasfok wrote:
hey lets praise loda because in our world playing well means getting your sunder off against a silenced enigma veno and death prophet. also buying items to late in the wrong order or not at all is great play in our book



Let's ignore all the farm he got under pressure, and his spot on decision making.

What spot on decision making? He played the 1 in two 4p1 strategies. Its like people forgot what those games look like. Even the analyst desk "oh man loda was playing from behind" of fucking course you are behind when you play 4p1 against a 3 core push lineup. FFS

oh my god somebody knows things about dota on this site... crazy
pussy and patrol make me feel alright
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 10 2014 02:00 GMT
#3223
On October 10 2014 10:58 Zea! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:56 stuchiu wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:54 Zea! wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:51 pellejohnson wrote:
Not easy to perform when they lost 2 out of their 3 best players. Loda and Bulldog has always been the worst players in the team


What? Bulldog has been carrying the team for like 1 year...


Sure, but what has he done for us recently?


He's been the best player till last month...


I was being sarcastic.
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Procake
Profile Joined December 2013
3803 Posts
October 10 2014 02:00 GMT
#3224
I don't think I've ever actually seen so much S E L L O U T stuff in a Dota 2 tournament
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
October 10 2014 02:00 GMT
#3225
i need it to fap efficiently
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
October 10 2014 02:02 GMT
#3226
cringing so hard at this interview
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
October 10 2014 02:02 GMT
#3227
On October 10 2014 11:00 Procake wrote:
I don't think I've ever actually seen so much S E L L O U T stuff in a Dota 2 tournament

New York is an expensive venue to rent, I think as much product placement as possible is kind of necessary.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
October 10 2014 02:02 GMT
#3228
On October 10 2014 11:00 calmasfok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:58 Snorkle wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:53 TMG26 wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:51 calmasfok wrote:
hey lets praise loda because in our world playing well means getting your sunder off against a silenced enigma veno and death prophet. also buying items to late in the wrong order or not at all is great play in our book



Let's ignore all the farm he got under pressure, and his spot on decision making.

What spot on decision making? He played the 1 in two 4p1 strategies. Its like people forgot what those games look like. Even the analyst desk "oh man loda was playing from behind" of fucking course you are behind when you play 4p1 against a 3 core push lineup. FFS

oh my god somebody knows things about dota on this site... crazy

I stopped posting here for the most part because its a hell hole of people who have no idea how to play dota for the most part but with all the pausing going on and the amount of drinks I've had tonight I started posted for some stupid reason.
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
October 10 2014 02:02 GMT
#3229
Why do I get the feeling C9 are going to do poorly against SNA..
...
calmasfok
Profile Joined September 2014
91 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-10 02:03:22
October 10 2014 02:02 GMT
#3230
edit: im retarded and dont know how post videos of loda failing.
pussy and patrol make me feel alright
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3231
On October 10 2014 10:58 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:55 bagels21 wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:51 pellejohnson wrote:
Not easy to perform when they lost 2 out of their 3 best players. Loda and Bulldog has always been the worst players in the team

i dunno how you people quantify this kind of crap when alliance winning ti3 was entirely dependent on bulldog's unique playstyle


rofl you have to be kidding me. Alliance won ti3 becase they had mastered wisp first and knew how to play wisp. Secondly they won ti3 because they had Naga when no one else could play naga siren. Finally they had s4 at the peak of his powers. S4 was the best mid in the world at the time and allowed alliance to play their greedy 2core with Loda and AB getting farm.

lol

a lot of those strategies were contingent on bulldog's unique carry-splitpusher-from-offlane style


you do realize that bulldog could only carry/split push because they had to ban out s4 and EGM's heroes? (also akke's chen) He could only get so much farm because s4 would gank and win midgame with the two supports... If it really were AB they would have banned NP/LD. Bulldog even now can only play those 2 heroes at a T1 level

... ok

still doesn't change the fact that they could've made it work last season by putting s4 in the offlane, it's not like s4 suddenly lost all his heroes, they were just too stubborn with trying to get their tempo controller launched in the midlane (where they could put bulldog with certain splitpushers). bulldog wasn't the weak link, [a]s choices in drafting/laning heroes was
posting on liquid sites in current year
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-10 02:03:48
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3232
It's pretty impressive how EGM is such a good player who was such a large part of Alliance that even after he left the team people still attribute their current success to him.

On October 10 2014 11:02 drew-chan wrote:
Why do I get the feeling C9 are going to do poorly against SNA..


That's God trying to win you rares, my friend.
Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3233
On October 10 2014 10:58 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:55 bagels21 wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:51 pellejohnson wrote:
Not easy to perform when they lost 2 out of their 3 best players. Loda and Bulldog has always been the worst players in the team

i dunno how you people quantify this kind of crap when alliance winning ti3 was entirely dependent on bulldog's unique playstyle


rofl you have to be kidding me. Alliance won ti3 becase they had mastered wisp first and knew how to play wisp. Secondly they won ti3 because they had Naga when no one else could play naga siren. Finally they had s4 at the peak of his powers. S4 was the best mid in the world at the time and allowed alliance to play their greedy 2core with Loda and AB getting farm.

lol

a lot of those strategies were contingent on bulldog's unique carry-splitpusher-from-offlane style


you do realize that bulldog could only carry/split push because they had to ban out s4 and EGM's heroes? (also akke's chen) He could only get so much farm because s4 would gank and win midgame with the two supports... If it really were AB they would have banned NP/LD. Bulldog even now can only play those 2 heroes at a T1 level


bulldog was the master of 6.78 offlane. He played a unique style where he denied the trilane supports farm for 5-10 minutes, then rotated to jungle and finished a 10~ minute midas.

Alliance played masterfully as a team. Both s4 and bulldog tailored their roles to their specific team style
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3234
On October 10 2014 11:00 Procake wrote:
I don't think I've ever actually seen so much S E L L O U T stuff in a Dota 2 tournament


Sell out is good. I was pleasantly surprised to see so many adverts. It's kind of like watching real sports events on TV now.

I want to see to T-mobile plastered ALL OVER that analyst desk.
Elurie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
4716 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3235
On October 10 2014 11:00 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:59 calmasfok wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:58 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Did anyone really expect Alliance to beat EG with a standin? Thing is that none of the players were comfortable in this situation and debating whether or not someone is a good player gets us no where. Loda did play well this series compared to his teammates which we are not used to as spectators because the previous support duo, EGM+AKKE were so stellar at dictating the tempo of the game.

akke and misery played well. loda played badly. hanni and bulldog where next level bad

Does anyone still think Alliance is better than EG with or with out a stand in?

With Chessie viper mid?
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3236
On October 10 2014 11:00 broodmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:58 bagels21 wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:55 bagels21 wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:51 pellejohnson wrote:
Not easy to perform when they lost 2 out of their 3 best players. Loda and Bulldog has always been the worst players in the team

i dunno how you people quantify this kind of crap when alliance winning ti3 was entirely dependent on bulldog's unique playstyle


rofl you have to be kidding me. Alliance won ti3 becase they had mastered wisp first and knew how to play wisp. Secondly they won ti3 because they had Naga when no one else could play naga siren. Finally they had s4 at the peak of his powers. S4 was the best mid in the world at the time and allowed alliance to play their greedy 2core with Loda and AB getting farm.

lol

a lot of those strategies were contingent on bulldog's unique carry-splitpusher-from-offlane style


you do realize that bulldog could only carry/split push because they had to ban out s4 and EGM's heroes? (also akke's chen) He could only get so much farm because s4 would gank and win midgame with the two supports... If it really were AB they would have banned NP/LD. Bulldog even now can only play those 2 heroes at a T1 level


They did Ban NP/LD, did you even watch Ti3?


no they didn't lol. They banned bat/chen/wisp. Watch the matches lol.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3237
ActionSlacks would scare me if we met in person
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3238
On October 10 2014 11:02 drew-chan wrote:
Why do I get the feeling C9 are going to do poorly against SNA..

SNAs like some of those random CIS teams in that they are completely capable of taking a game off a t1 team. I don't see them actually winning a bo3 though.
tehh4ck3r
Profile Joined August 2013
Magrathea7080 Posts
October 10 2014 02:03 GMT
#3239
the biggest problems with alliance is that
1. 6.79 patch was direct nerf to their playstyle
2. they lost their captain and drafter (and probably the best player on their team)

they haven't been drafting well since TI3 and losing s4 only compounded that

regardless of your opinion on loda and bulldog, alliance with S4 and EGM instead of h4nni and misery probably would have lost to EG as well
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Lachrymose
Profile Joined February 2008
Australia1928 Posts
October 10 2014 02:04 GMT
#3240
On October 10 2014 11:02 calmasfok wrote:
edit: im retarded and dont know how post videos of loda failing.


Can you give it a rest already?
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