• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:47
CEST 13:47
KST 20:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Data needed RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2848 users

[ESL] New York Day 1 - Page 157

Forum Index > Dota 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 155 156 157 158 159 184 Next
Check out our preview of ESL: City that Never Sleeps
calmasfok
Profile Joined September 2014
91 Posts
October 10 2014 01:43 GMT
#3121
On October 10 2014 10:39 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:38 Seraphic wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:37 Kipsate wrote:
H4nn1 played Invoker quite a bit.


Oh, I hardly ever follow Fnatic games so...

Why state "I don't remember I'm playing Invoker" than follow it up with "Well I don't even watch Fnatic games anyway"

the mans confused. hes been trying to make loda out to be a top tier carry
pussy and patrol make me feel alright
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 10 2014 01:43 GMT
#3122
you guys this was clearly a draft loss, alliance's lineup is trash and eg's actually has some coherence
posting on liquid sites in current year
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
October 10 2014 01:44 GMT
#3123
i feel so bad for c9/sna. they're either gonna play till 12 or have to play tomorrow.
Veles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States3280 Posts
October 10 2014 01:44 GMT
#3124
On October 10 2014 10:42 wuhan_clan wrote:
Hanni's Invoker is good for Hanni (because he plays so many heroes poorly). Hanni's Invoker also seems better than it is because Invoker hasn't been a common pick in years. Compared with actually good Invoker players, Hanni still doesn't compare. The guy is Mr. Mediocre.

ya invoker hasn't been picked for years
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 10 2014 01:44 GMT
#3125
On October 10 2014 10:42 wuhan_clan wrote:
Hanni's Invoker is good for Hanni (because he plays so many heroes poorly). Hanni's Invoker also seems better than it is because Invoker hasn't been a common pick in years. Compared with actually good Invoker players, Hanni still doesn't compare. The guy is Mr. Mediocre.


I don't think Voker pick would have mattered that greatly in this game if everything has gone the same way. Just instead of Gyro being an natural MKB holder, they have Voker in his place.

They both take awhile to come up, with some decent magic nukes at the start. If everything has gone the same way, Voker being in place of Gyro probably wouldn't have mattered too greatly anyway.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 10 2014 01:44 GMT
#3126
Arteezy used to be like Dendi in a sense, when he rose to prominence Dendi was one of the best mid players in the world if not the best, he did crazy shit and everyone was like oppa oppa Dendi. Then other people caught up and nowaydays Dendi is mediocre. Arteezy to prominence and everyone was like 2ez4tzy. Nowaydays its Universe, Zai and PPd who do the shit.
WriterXiao8~~
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 10 2014 01:44 GMT
#3127
On October 10 2014 10:42 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:39 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:37 beifru wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


No. Both rtz and Universe (he used to be underrated but is not now) are overrated currently.

Its ppd that is underrated in EG. Pretty sure without him, EG would be a middle rank Tier 1 team.

Pretty sure you could say EG would be an average t1 team if you swapped out any of their players so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All the players are important.


Mason disagrees.

EG with fear is infinitely more versatile and scary than EG with Mason.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-10 01:46:07
October 10 2014 01:44 GMT
#3128
On October 10 2014 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:35 Kabras wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 Zea! wrote:
that gyro pick was just stupid and no sense (as vengeful)

gyro's really good vs pa cuz he's a natural mkb buyer and he can nuke her down with rocket barrage. pa also can't jump him for the same reason. the pick was good, the play wasn't.


Gyro as the last pick in this particular draft was terrible. Invoker would have been so much better and allowed Alliance to fight all around the map.

Gyro pick was super fine and Kabras explained why. You sjust throw out "facts" with no reasoning behind.

Pick WAS good, execution not so much.
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 10 2014 01:45 GMT
#3129
On October 10 2014 10:44 zev318 wrote:
i feel so bad for c9/sna. they're either gonna play till 12 or have to play tomorrow.


ehh they only need to play 1 series right? It's not like how Na'Vi played like 3 series in a row
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-10 01:46:51
October 10 2014 01:46 GMT
#3130
On October 10 2014 10:45 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:44 zev318 wrote:
i feel so bad for c9/sna. they're either gonna play till 12 or have to play tomorrow.


ehh they only need to play 1 series right? It's not like how Na'Vi played like 3 series in a row


well if they make them play tomorrow, that would be 3 series. not quite in a row, but it'll be a hell of a long day.

im not sure if MSG has a time limit like most places or not.
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
October 10 2014 01:46 GMT
#3131
maybe stop bashing the picks and start bashing bulldog for playing for the wrong alex garfield team al series??
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-10 01:47:18
October 10 2014 01:46 GMT
#3132
On October 10 2014 10:43 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:41 Makro wrote:
coup de grassss haha


That's how it's actually pronounced, you know.

Obviously he has a terrible accent, but the "ce" isn't silent.

yea i think i know how it is pronounced, i just like the accent

coup de gras would be funny though :D
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 10 2014 01:46 GMT
#3133
On October 10 2014 10:44 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 Kabras wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 Zea! wrote:
that gyro pick was just stupid and no sense (as vengeful)

gyro's really good vs pa cuz he's a natural mkb buyer and he can nuke her down with rocket barrage. pa also can't jump him for the same reason. the pick was good, the play wasn't.


Gyro as the last pick in this particular draft was terrible. Invoker would have been so much better and allowed Alliance to fight all around the map.

Gyro pick was super fine and Kabras explained why. You sjust throw of "facts" with no reasoning behind.

Pick WAS good, execution not so much.


they needed to rotate supports to kill arty mid. RTZ got support rotations that saved his ass multiple times. They could have also ganked brew to try to give AB some more space. I think they could have let NP go 1 v 1 against gyro for a bit
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 10 2014 01:46 GMT
#3134
On October 10 2014 10:43 calmasfok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:39 Kuroeeah wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:38 Seraphic wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:37 Kipsate wrote:
H4nn1 played Invoker quite a bit.


Oh, I hardly ever follow Fnatic games so...

Why state "I don't remember I'm playing Invoker" than follow it up with "Well I don't even watch Fnatic games anyway"

the mans confused. hes been trying to make loda out to be a top tier carry


Please read my post to see where I said Loda is a top carry. I said Alliance would not come that close in Game 1, or held out that long without Loda.

You're argument with carry is absurd. Even Burning made mistakes. Being an observer allows you to say things. There is no such thing as a perfect player. Get that through your head.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
drew-chan
Profile Joined July 2009
Malaysia1517 Posts
October 10 2014 01:47 GMT
#3135
So hows G3 going? [A] lost?
...
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
October 10 2014 01:47 GMT
#3136
On October 10 2014 10:44 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:42 beifru wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:39 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:37 beifru wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


No. Both rtz and Universe (he used to be underrated but is not now) are overrated currently.

Its ppd that is underrated in EG. Pretty sure without him, EG would be a middle rank Tier 1 team.

Pretty sure you could say EG would be an average t1 team if you swapped out any of their players so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All the players are important.


Mason disagrees.

EG with fear is infinitely more versatile and scary than EG with Mason.


Not denying Fear's strengths, but showing that he is replaceable contrary to your statement.

Anyway, no one is saying your dear Arteezy is shit. Its just that he is not the god that people make him out to be.
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 10 2014 01:47 GMT
#3137
Battlebrew, good shit.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 10 2014 01:47 GMT
#3138
On October 10 2014 10:44 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 Kabras wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 Zea! wrote:
that gyro pick was just stupid and no sense (as vengeful)

gyro's really good vs pa cuz he's a natural mkb buyer and he can nuke her down with rocket barrage. pa also can't jump him for the same reason. the pick was good, the play wasn't.


Gyro as the last pick in this particular draft was terrible. Invoker would have been so much better and allowed Alliance to fight all around the map.

Gyro pick was super fine and Kabras explained why. You sjust throw of "facts" with no reasoning behind.

Pick WAS good, execution not so much.

i agree gyro wasn't the problem. it was a good response to pa

but they locked themselves into having 2 fragile cores by firstpicking void and geting PA'd on

and then their 2 supports aren't as good earlygame as aba/bane so aba/bane outplayed vs/visage in the PA(+np) vs gyro(+void) skirmishes

think centaur would've been better than clock but im centaur-biased
posting on liquid sites in current year
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-10 01:49:03
October 10 2014 01:48 GMT
#3139
On October 10 2014 10:46 Kabras wrote:
maybe stop bashing the picks and start bashing bulldog for playing for the wrong alex garfield team al series??


I was honestly quite surprised when they kicked EGM over bulldong.
Seraphic
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3849 Posts
October 10 2014 01:48 GMT
#3140
That silence LOL. Welp.
Natus Vincere Fan | Team Secret Fan | SK Telecom T1 Fan | Lanaya the Templar Assassin <3
Prev 1 155 156 157 158 159 184 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #102
CranKy Ducklings124
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko151
Railgan 46
herO (Afreeca) 32
Rex 0
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31994
Calm 5401
Horang2 1427
Mini 531
BeSt 406
actioN 329
Mind 314
EffOrt 283
Last 177
ggaemo 157
[ Show more ]
ZerO 112
JYJ 94
Sharp 66
Backho 59
Aegong 59
910 42
Hyun 40
Barracks 39
soO 37
Hm[arnc] 27
NaDa 25
[sc1f]eonzerg 18
Movie 16
Bale 13
IntoTheRainbow 11
GoRush 9
Dota 2
Gorgc4017
ODPixel114
BananaSlamJamma35
Counter-Strike
zeus930
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King140
Westballz30
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor147
Other Games
singsing1751
B2W.Neo942
Pyrionflax232
Sick77
Trikslyr31
QueenE28
ZerO(Twitch)14
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream7884
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1981
Other Games
gamesdonequick760
BasetradeTV183
StarCraft: Brood War
CasterMuse 19
lovetv 12
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 20
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 32
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1497
• TFBlade1122
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
14m
Rex0
WardiTV0
SC Evo League
1h 44m
IPSL
4h 14m
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
7h 14m
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Patches Events
10h 14m
CranKy Ducklings
12h 14m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
22h 14m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
23h 14m
Ladder Legends
1d 3h
BSL
1d 7h
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
[ Show More ]
IPSL
1d 7h
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
1d 21h
Wardi Open
1d 22h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 22h
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
KCM Race Survival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.