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beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
October 10 2014 01:39 GMT
#3101
On October 10 2014 10:38 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:37 Seraphic wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 Kabras wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 Zea! wrote:
that gyro pick was just stupid and no sense (as vengeful)

gyro's really good vs pa cuz he's a natural mkb buyer and he can nuke her down with rocket barrage. pa also can't jump him for the same reason. the pick was good, the play wasn't.


Gyro as the last pick in this particular draft was terrible. Invoker would have been so much better and allowed Alliance to fight all around the map.


That's if H4nni is good with voker lol. I don't remember him play that hero ever in Fnatic.


He did play Invoker for Fnatic. And it was good.

I think that it's AdmiralBulldog who's not really pulling his weight yet again.


The man weighs a proverbial ton, you cant blame him can you?
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
October 10 2014 01:39 GMT
#3102
On October 10 2014 10:37 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


No. Both rtz and Universe (he used to be underrated but is not now) are overrated currently.

Its ppd that is underrated in EG. Pretty sure without him, EG would be a middle rank Tier 1 team.


His play on defensive supports is just so good. Lots of clutch skill usage and force staff saves. Of course, we can't forget his captaining and drafting skills.
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 10 2014 01:39 GMT
#3103
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


lmao do you not realize how much hype arteezy got when he first came into the scene? the reason why universe is given praise is because he used to be the forgotten man. Back in TI2 he left EG but no one cared about that, they cared about Bulba leaving, he went to dignitas and nobody gave him credit for being their best player till TI3, he wasn't "praised so much" till Spring 14
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 10 2014 01:39 GMT
#3104
On October 10 2014 10:37 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


No. Both rtz and Universe (he used to be underrated but is not now) are overrated currently.

Its ppd that is underrated in EG. Pretty sure without him, EG would be a middle rank Tier 1 team.

Pretty sure you could say EG would be an average t1 team if you swapped out any of their players so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All the players are important.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 10 2014 01:39 GMT
#3105
On October 10 2014 10:39 Veles wrote:
wtf is that PA hair

Dame de Careau, I think. The new one.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
October 10 2014 01:39 GMT
#3106
On October 10 2014 10:38 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:37 Kipsate wrote:
H4nn1 played Invoker quite a bit.


Oh, I hardly ever follow Fnatic games so...

Why state "I don't remember I'm playing Invoker" than follow it up with "Well I don't even watch Fnatic games anyway"
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 10 2014 01:39 GMT
#3107
On October 10 2014 10:37 Seraphic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 Kabras wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 Zea! wrote:
that gyro pick was just stupid and no sense (as vengeful)

gyro's really good vs pa cuz he's a natural mkb buyer and he can nuke her down with rocket barrage. pa also can't jump him for the same reason. the pick was good, the play wasn't.


Gyro as the last pick in this particular draft was terrible. Invoker would have been so much better and allowed Alliance to fight all around the map.


That's if H4nni is good with voker lol. I don't remember him play that hero ever in Fnatic.

Apparently this is his most-played hero in pro matches. 59 games, 58% winrate, 4.85 KDA.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 10 2014 01:40 GMT
#3108
h4nni just afk-ing now
Neosteel Enthusiast
apes
Profile Joined October 2011
United States826 Posts
October 10 2014 01:40 GMT
#3109
On October 10 2014 10:39 Veles wrote:
wtf is that PA hair


looks like the kid in jumanji after he starts turning into a monkey
shizaep
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2920 Posts
October 10 2014 01:41 GMT
#3110
I'm fucking facepalming so hard right now
You mean I just write stuff here and other people can see it?
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 10 2014 01:41 GMT
#3111
coup de grassss haha
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
TL+ Member
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 10 2014 01:41 GMT
#3112
On October 10 2014 10:39 beifru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:38 Manit0u wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:37 Seraphic wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 Kabras wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 Zea! wrote:
that gyro pick was just stupid and no sense (as vengeful)

gyro's really good vs pa cuz he's a natural mkb buyer and he can nuke her down with rocket barrage. pa also can't jump him for the same reason. the pick was good, the play wasn't.


Gyro as the last pick in this particular draft was terrible. Invoker would have been so much better and allowed Alliance to fight all around the map.


That's if H4nni is good with voker lol. I don't remember him play that hero ever in Fnatic.


He did play Invoker for Fnatic. And it was good.

I think that it's AdmiralBulldog who's not really pulling his weight yet again.


The man weighs a proverbial ton, you cant blame him can you?


I honestly think they should try to pick him LD and go against the meta. At this point he pretty can only play NP at a T1 level. His bat is okay and his doom is okay. His clock is very meh.

They could also try to pick him nyx...
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
October 10 2014 01:41 GMT
#3113
On October 10 2014 10:39 bagels21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


lmao do you not realize how much hype arteezy got when he first came into the scene? the reason why universe is given praise is because he used to be the forgotten man. Back in TI2 he left EG but no one cared about that, they cared about Bulba leaving, he went to dignitas and nobody gave him credit for being their best player till TI3, he wasn't "praised so much" till Spring 14

I'm very much aware of the hype he got like a year ago, nowadays it seems like a lot of people don't realize how much he contributes to the team and just like to trash on him for whatever reason
beifru
Profile Joined November 2013
2164 Posts
October 10 2014 01:42 GMT
#3114
On October 10 2014 10:39 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:37 beifru wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


No. Both rtz and Universe (he used to be underrated but is not now) are overrated currently.

Its ppd that is underrated in EG. Pretty sure without him, EG would be a middle rank Tier 1 team.

Pretty sure you could say EG would be an average t1 team if you swapped out any of their players so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. All the players are important.


Mason disagrees.
wuhan_clan
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5609 Posts
October 10 2014 01:42 GMT
#3115
Hanni's Invoker is good for Hanni (because he plays so many heroes poorly). Hanni's Invoker also seems better than it is because Invoker hasn't been a common pick in years. Compared with actually good Invoker players, Hanni still doesn't compare. The guy is Mr. Mediocre.
Pyrthas
Profile Joined March 2007
United States3196 Posts
October 10 2014 01:42 GMT
#3116
On October 10 2014 10:39 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:38 Seraphic wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:37 Kipsate wrote:
H4nn1 played Invoker quite a bit.


Oh, I hardly ever follow Fnatic games so...

Why state "I don't remember I'm playing Invoker" than follow it up with "Well I don't even watch Fnatic games anyway"

"Hey man, I gotta participate in this discussion! It doesn't matter if I have anything valuable to contribute!"
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-10 01:44:04
October 10 2014 01:42 GMT
#3117
On October 10 2014 10:38 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:37 Seraphic wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:36 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 Kabras wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 Zea! wrote:
that gyro pick was just stupid and no sense (as vengeful)

gyro's really good vs pa cuz he's a natural mkb buyer and he can nuke her down with rocket barrage. pa also can't jump him for the same reason. the pick was good, the play wasn't.


Gyro as the last pick in this particular draft was terrible. Invoker would have been so much better and allowed Alliance to fight all around the map.


That's if H4nni is good with voker lol. I don't remember him play that hero ever in Fnatic.


He did play Invoker for Fnatic. And it was good.

I think that it's AdmiralBulldog who's not really pulling his weight yet again. He gets all those initiators and then fails to have any impact with them.


Honestly I wouldn't blame AB too much in this game because he doesn't have much freedom to do your standard Clockwerk things. With Abaddon and Bane interfering with your ganks, Clockwerk needs massive burst assistance to kill his target before those supports get close.

On October 10 2014 10:42 wuhan_clan wrote:
Hanni's Invoker is good for Hanni (because he plays so many heroes poorly). Hanni's Invoker also seems better than it is because Invoker hasn't been a common pick in years. Compared with actually good Invoker players, Hanni still doesn't compare. The guy is Mr. Mediocre.


Even a mediocre Invoker player can Sunstrike enemies in Chrono and Cogs.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
October 10 2014 01:43 GMT
#3118
You know you're behind when your void can't chrono kill a bane at 25 minutes
Neosteel Enthusiast
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
October 10 2014 01:43 GMT
#3119
On October 10 2014 10:41 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2014 10:39 bagels21 wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:35 blobrus wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:33 shizaep wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:32 FHDH wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:31 TheTenthDoc wrote:
On October 10 2014 10:29 Nymzee wrote:
who said game 3 would be a 15 minute stomp?

you cursed us all


Nonono, you have been saved from another 70 minutes of debating who's better RTZ or Loda.

I only regret that I didn't say 20 minute.

Was anyone actually arguing that Loda was better than Arteezy?

Arteezy is literally the exact opposite of Universe.

Honestly arteezy gets so much shit he's actually kinda underrated whereas Universe is given so much praise. Wouldn't say Unis overrated but in a sense what you said is kinda true, just probably not what you meant.


lmao do you not realize how much hype arteezy got when he first came into the scene? the reason why universe is given praise is because he used to be the forgotten man. Back in TI2 he left EG but no one cared about that, they cared about Bulba leaving, he went to dignitas and nobody gave him credit for being their best player till TI3, he wasn't "praised so much" till Spring 14

I'm very much aware of the hype he got like a year ago, nowadays it seems like a lot of people don't realize how much he contributes to the team and just like to trash on him for whatever reason


it's because he's cocky and because he welcomes twitch memes/cultivates his little cult lol

It's kinda similar to how EE gets shat on so much
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 10 2014 01:43 GMT
#3120
On October 10 2014 10:41 Makro wrote:
coup de grassss haha


That's how it's actually pronounced, you know.

Obviously he has a terrible accent, but the "ce" isn't silent.
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