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On July 22 2014 05:54 zeroISM wrote:
Every team that I cheered for lost the game and this year's international shows that the western teams are again not as resilient, patient nor methodical in their dota, so the chinese dominated.
Chinese style is now like the 1-1-1 Terran from Starcraft. They hit a good timing with a pushing lineup, and a teamfight backup hero so once their push starts it's very hard to stop them.
This grand final shows us that Xiao8 is one of the best drafters in the world and takes teams out before the game even begins. Games 2, 3 and 4 were decided at the draft phase.
People will say it's anticlimatic, but remember it's not for the show. Those guys are there for the money, and that is all that matters for them.
Congratulations Newbee.
Its not just the draft. They fucking destroyed them. They were always there when needed and they simply read them like a book inside and outside of the game. That was rough :S
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I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way.
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Overall TI4 was okay, but for all the hype of "$10 million dollar tournament!!!!!" it didn't really have that level of play consistently. The round robin honestly had more entertaining games and hype than the finals and was at least equal to the championship bracket in those regards.
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On July 22 2014 05:36 Gevna wrote:
It's just terrible that VG came into the grand final with just one strat, and so few picks. I don't know it doesn't feel TI runner up caliber.
Was the same case with NaVi. didn't it.
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On July 22 2014 05:56 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:36 Gevna wrote:
It's just terrible that VG came into the grand final with just one strat, and so few picks. I don't know it doesn't feel TI runner up caliber. Was the same case with NaVi. didn't it.
Not really. If any team always picked the same stuff last TI it was Alliance.
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On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way.
eh newbee was going pretty even with both DK and iG during june and really smacked them around during may
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Congrats, Xiao8, been around a long time, one of the key figures of an era of Dota, now will have TI as accomplishment too.
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On July 22 2014 05:54 zeroISM wrote:
Every team that I cheered for lost the game and this year's international shows that the western teams are again not as resilient, patient nor methodical in their dota, so the chinese dominated.
Chinese style is now like the 1-1-1 Terran from Starcraft. They hit a good timing with a pushing lineup, and a teamfight backup hero so once their push starts it's very hard to stop them.
This grand final shows us that Xiao8 is one of the best drafters in the world and takes teams out before the game even begins. Games 2, 3 and 4 were decided at the draft phase.
People will say it's anticlimatic, but remember it's not for the show. Those guys are there for the money, and that is all that matters for them.
Congratulations Newbee.
Please don't lump every chinese team in the same bag. Only VG played that push style, the rest played standard, diversified stuff, especially DK.
If anything this year the western teams were the one dimensional ones.
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On July 22 2014 05:51 hunter_x wrote:
Very dissapointing grand finals. Last year was much better, it was so intense.
also this ti lacked big storylines, nothing like liquid beating lgd at ti3. but i guess you can not blame newbee for that;)
i just hope western teams step their game up next year.
Newbee's story was quite epic actually if you think of it. On the verge of being eliminated in the group stages they rally back and win enough to force a tiebreaker and then they win that. In the BO3 format, and despite some hiccups here and there they still march onward even destroying some past champions and the finally take it all.
If you'd replace TL, C9, EG or hell even Mouz, Empire with Newbee in that story then people would be all over how beautiful it is.
Seriously that attitude is just disgusting, just because your favorite team didn't win doesn't make Newbee's story any less epic.
I'm also sad that DK didn't win but hell, with the way Newbee played they fucking deserved to win and they have my respect from here on out and my support in the event DK do disband with their players retiring.
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So much haters, oh the tears XD
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On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way.
IIRC when NB were formed they all signed 2 years contracts so rather no disbanand soon
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On July 22 2014 05:56 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:36 Gevna wrote:
It's just terrible that VG came into the grand final with just one strat, and so few picks. I don't know it doesn't feel TI runner up caliber. Was the same case with NaVi. didn't it.
you seem to forget how navi fountain hooked a clearly superior team out of the tournament!
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On July 22 2014 05:58 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way. IIRC when NB were formed they all signed 2 years contracts so rather no disbanand soon
yep
http://2p.com/4628976_1/NewBee-to-play-together-for-at-least-two-years-by-GodBlessMali.htm
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shots fired to xiao8s ex gf and vg drafts lmao
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Bruno may have watched too much cowboy bebop
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I strongly agree, that the way to the finals was not building up any hype. Never had the feeling that they play for so much money, could as well have been a 50k tournament.
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Bruno's suits eclipsed the finals and the whole tournament as a whole.
#GiveBruno5Million
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This was the most anti climatic thing ever.
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Still no Godz cosplay, fucking disappointed
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On July 22 2014 05:59 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 05:58 lprk wrote:On July 22 2014 05:56 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I'll quickly share my thoughts on why this finals and tournament didn't do it for me.
Obviously like other people mentioned, Newbee and Vici aren't the most hype teams and the games weren't very intense. But I think what really mattered to me, is that before TI4, they were not looking solid. Vici losing to Fnatic, not really going far, Newbee still looking good but being bested by DK and iG relatively frequently... I can't call them the best teams in the world just because they have won TI. Their performance before hasn't shown it, so if they keep demolishing everyone for the next 4-6 months, then sure, I'll be happy for Newbee, and really say this was the start of something huge for them, but if Newbee just goes to disband since they all just made $1,000,000 USD, then there is this void of a champion to me.
That's the main thing that did it for me, don't know if anyone else really feels this way. IIRC when NB were formed they all signed 2 years contracts so rather no disbanand soon yep http://2p.com/4628976_1/NewBee-to-play-together-for-at-least-two-years-by-GodBlessMali.htm
Doesn't matter, if one of them decides to retire that's pretty much it. Xiao8's pretty much done everything at this point, there's no reason for Director 8 to stick around.
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