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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
July 21 2014 20:51 GMT
#3021
Who's asking the questions for US? :D
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 21 2014 20:51 GMT
#3022
and now whos mark
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
July 21 2014 20:51 GMT
#3023
Very dissapointing grand finals. Last year was much better, it was so intense.
also this ti lacked big storylines, nothing like liquid beating lgd at ti3. but i guess you can not blame newbee for that;)
i just hope western teams step their game up next year.
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
July 21 2014 20:51 GMT
#3024
liquid dota legit now
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 21 2014 20:51 GMT
#3025
On July 22 2014 05:50 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:49 toemn wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:47 trifecta wrote:
Newbee executed flawlessly, but I don't understand how VG had no other strats up their sleeve...


That's the sad part actually. They had the chance to experiment or alter their strategies but they didn't.

if you saw how mediocre VG looked before TI though, it might be that they just sucked otherwise. in scrims, DK and Newbee were smacking them 80% winrate


VG really did outperform way beyond expectations when you consider how they looked going in.
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Evander Berry Wall
Profile Joined June 2014
United States1137 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-21 20:57:46
July 21 2014 20:51 GMT
#3026
On July 22 2014 05:39 Playguuu wrote:
Was really a boring final. Same heroes each time, and 15 minute last game.


TI3 championships had an incredibly narrow selection of heroes across 5 games. Overall, the meta was much more versatile this year.

And regarding the nature of the matches, I don't think any other two teams would guarantee a different result. Series like these happen all the time, it's not shocking that the grand finals would end up being such a series.

And regarding any comments people have made about boring Chinese Dota, there's no consistency in that sentiment. This was four consecutive, quick, smashes, quite unlike what has been stereotyped as China's slow, conservative style. So I get the feeling that if Chinese teams play any game that is less then awesomely exciting, it will be attributed to some nebulous Chinese style that doesn't really exist.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3027
On July 22 2014 05:33 dizzy101 wrote:
Underwhelming.

No big plays, no close games, no nothing

big plays decided outcome of first three games.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9858 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3028
On July 22 2014 05:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:48 disciple wrote:
So the scene will be fairly fucked up again in the next 3 or so months because everyone will disband/retire/form new teams. I wanna be honest - I dont care about Newbie at all but if valve keep up the current qualification system we will always have teams or even entire organisations forming around February and going deep in TI. Dunno about valve letting the scene sort itself out anymore...


Disciple, the thing is, what are you supposed to do?

Say there are 12 teams that are on top, all of the sudden 6 new teams form. In the next 3 months they become the best in the scene, absolutely crushing the previous 12 teams.

If you don't invite them, nobody will think that the best Dota 2 team is at the TI4, and people will care a lot less.

this argument didn't relaly make sense anyway since newbee is pretty much a ti3 team with 1 reshuffle


Different name, but also, lets say that happens, my argument does hold.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
rally_point
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada458 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3029
why is only 1 guy answering the questions hahaha
Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3030
On July 22 2014 05:48 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:46 Diavlo wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:42 superstartran wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:41 Kuroeeah wrote:
Jeeze. Nothing to take away from newbee either but i wonder what the hell would have happened if they had more exposure against western teams like IG, VG and DK did.

It's a well deserved victory for newbee though, they are the strongest team.




Newbee had 0 experience vs EG and pretty much stomped them. Xiao8 is one of the best captains/drafters in China still.

And they lost the group stage against EG.
Coming into the tournament ppd/RTZ said NB was the most scary team for them because they didn't know how they played prior to the tournament.
But it works both ways, Hao said EG was very problematic to play against after the group stage.

At this level, any top team can stomp the others, EG stomped DK game 2 and Vici in the group stage, got stomped by NB, Vici in the main event and by ig/dk in the group stage.


What? NB played something like 5 BoX series in a week showcasing how they played. All of that was broadcast ingame and online for western viewers so not knowing how NB played because they weren't in Western comps is pretty awful excuse.

Yes but they hadn't played against NB themselves. Alliance played a billion games prior to G-league, still destroyed every one in the tournament, leading Chinese teams to try to adapt to that play style and pick wisp themselves.

First hand experience seems to mean the world to pro gamers.

"I don't know how many years on this Earth I got left. I'm gonna get real weird with it."
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3031
so many months of build-up and hype for absolutely nothing. anonymous team goes against other anonymous team and one of them wins the biggest prize ever in esports. WHY!? gonna pretend like this fucking tournament never happened.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3032
"congratz newbee" is a worldwide twitter trend atm
keep it deep! @zulison
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3033
GG congrats winners
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
Les Lau
Profile Joined June 2014
Malaysia114 Posts
July 21 2014 20:52 GMT
#3034
All NB haters must be feeling so salty now... uhhuhuu
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3035
On July 22 2014 05:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:48 disciple wrote:
So the scene will be fairly fucked up again in the next 3 or so months because everyone will disband/retire/form new teams. I wanna be honest - I dont care about Newbie at all but if valve keep up the current qualification system we will always have teams or even entire organisations forming around February and going deep in TI. Dunno about valve letting the scene sort itself out anymore...


Disciple, the thing is, what are you supposed to do?

Say there are 12 teams that are on top, all of the sudden 6 new teams form. In the next 3 months they become the best in the scene, absolutely crushing the previous 12 teams.

If you don't invite them, nobody will think that the best Dota 2 team is at the TI4, and people will care a lot less.

this argument didn't relaly make sense anyway since newbee is pretty much a ti3 team with 1 reshuffle


Different name, but also, lets say that happens, my argument does hold.

er i meant disciple's argument, newbee wasn't unknown or new, just a new name on old players
posting on liquid sites in current year
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3036
On July 22 2014 05:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:48 disciple wrote:
So the scene will be fairly fucked up again in the next 3 or so months because everyone will disband/retire/form new teams. I wanna be honest - I dont care about Newbie at all but if valve keep up the current qualification system we will always have teams or even entire organisations forming around February and going deep in TI. Dunno about valve letting the scene sort itself out anymore...


Disciple, the thing is, what are you supposed to do?

Say there are 12 teams that are on top, all of the sudden 6 new teams form. In the next 3 months they become the best in the scene, absolutely crushing the previous 12 teams.

If you don't invite them, nobody will think that the best Dota 2 team is at the TI4, and people will care a lot less.

this argument didn't relaly make sense anyway since newbee is pretty much a ti3 team with 1 reshuffle


Different name, but also, lets say that happens, my argument does hold.

it doesn't
bisu
Monv18hao
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada627 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3037
xiao8 let others talk T_T
“拿梦想当赌注 我怎么舍得输” -ZSMJ
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3038
well, at least I can go to bed early after yesterday.
But that was the quickest Bo5 in Dota I have seen so far.
aliasds
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada555 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3039
[image loading]

these guys just won 5 million dollars and are beside themselves in enthusiasm, trust me
Frazzlehoon
Profile Joined July 2008
United States3455 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3040
On July 22 2014 05:52 rally_point wrote:
why is only 1 guy answering the questions hahaha


Cause that's xiao mother f'ing 8.

And for a real answer, he's the captain and drafter for the team, so it makes sense that he's picking up most of the questions.
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