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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3041
On July 22 2014 05:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:48 disciple wrote:
So the scene will be fairly fucked up again in the next 3 or so months because everyone will disband/retire/form new teams. I wanna be honest - I dont care about Newbie at all but if valve keep up the current qualification system we will always have teams or even entire organisations forming around February and going deep in TI. Dunno about valve letting the scene sort itself out anymore...


Disciple, the thing is, what are you supposed to do?

Say there are 12 teams that are on top, all of the sudden 6 new teams form. In the next 3 months they become the best in the scene, absolutely crushing the previous 12 teams.

If you don't invite them, nobody will think that the best Dota 2 team is at the TI4, and people will care a lot less.

this argument didn't relaly make sense anyway since newbee is pretty much a ti3 team with 1 reshuffle

But so are most chinese teams in general arent they. My point is that its hard to cheer for the teams and organisations in a team competition and that to me is a problem.
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3042
Frankly i'm a little bit shocked. I just wanted more from TI than we got.
Kahzaar
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden897 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3043
On July 22 2014 05:52 Animzor wrote:
so many months of build-up and hype for absolutely nothing. anonymous team goes against other anonymous team and one of them wins the biggest prize ever in esports. WHY!? gonna pretend like this fucking tournament never happened.

How are the teams anonymous?
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3044
On July 22 2014 05:52 rally_point wrote:
why is only 1 guy answering the questions hahaha

It'd make sense if he was the captain or drafter.
kiss kiss fall in love
infiniteJest
Profile Joined December 2013
United States187 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3045
one lane of rax taken in 4 games boys
"If equal affections cannot be, let the more loving one be me."
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-21 20:54:30
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3046
On July 22 2014 05:47 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:46 sacrilegious wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:43 IntoTheheart wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:42 sacrilegious wrote:
So based on earnings now, 5 members of Newbee (I bet most people have never heard of or could relate to) will surpass Jaedong and MC for the lead in e-sports earnings... is that right? I read this somewhere yesterday

Most likely, yeah. I don't think that JD or MC have eclipsed over a million USD yet.

... I've said it before and I'll say it again, it just seemed way too top heavy (no matter who won)

Either Valve should have distributed it more evenly to all teams, or just pocket it and set a limit for 1st place


Look at every tournament in SC2, Smash, Fighting games that is not WCS. ALL their top distributions reward more money to the top 4 than TI4.


And weirder still considering how locked in the top 3 were. I understand the need for flexibility but I think at least losers bracket final could have been Bo5 as well.

Pretty underwhelming TI. Some great games but lacked the feel of last year; then again I was freshly converted by the tournament last year.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
July 21 2014 20:53 GMT
#3047
On July 22 2014 05:52 Animzor wrote:
so many months of build-up and hype for absolutely nothing. anonymous team goes against other anonymous team and one of them wins the biggest prize ever in esports. WHY!? gonna pretend like this fucking tournament never happened.

of all the complaints, i wish "anonymous" were a bannable offense
posting on liquid sites in current year
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 21 2014 20:54 GMT
#3048
On July 22 2014 05:53 Monv18hao wrote:
xiao8 let others talk T_T


Thats director8 to you
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Namunelbo
Profile Joined June 2012
501 Posts
July 21 2014 20:54 GMT
#3049
On July 22 2014 05:50 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:49 toemn wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:47 trifecta wrote:
Newbee executed flawlessly, but I don't understand how VG had no other strats up their sleeve...


That's the sad part actually. They had the chance to experiment or alter their strategies but they didn't.

if you saw how mediocre VG looked before TI though, it might be that they just sucked otherwise. in scrims, DK and Newbee were smacking them 80% winrate


That was the imminent reality I didn't want to face... Everytime they faced, a few weeks prior to TI4, Newbee always was the favourite to win over VG.
But maybe, just maybe, with the great run VG had at the beginning, something might have changed...
zeroISM
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan161 Posts
July 21 2014 20:54 GMT
#3050
Every team that I cheered for lost the game and this year's international shows that the western teams are again not as resilient, patient nor methodical in their dota, so the chinese dominated.

Chinese style is now like the 1-1-1 Terran from Starcraft. They hit a good timing with a pushing lineup, and a teamfight backup hero so once their push starts it's very hard to stop them.

This grand final shows us that Xiao8 is one of the best drafters in the world and takes teams out before the game even begins. Games 2, 3 and 4 were decided at the draft phase.

People will say it's anticlimatic, but remember it's not for the show. Those guys are there for the money, and that is all that matters for them.

Congratulations Newbee.
♘
Math.random();
Profile Joined July 2011
433 Posts
July 21 2014 20:54 GMT
#3051
HAHA HATERS GONNA HATE
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
July 21 2014 20:54 GMT
#3052
On July 22 2014 05:53 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:48 disciple wrote:
So the scene will be fairly fucked up again in the next 3 or so months because everyone will disband/retire/form new teams. I wanna be honest - I dont care about Newbie at all but if valve keep up the current qualification system we will always have teams or even entire organisations forming around February and going deep in TI. Dunno about valve letting the scene sort itself out anymore...


Disciple, the thing is, what are you supposed to do?

Say there are 12 teams that are on top, all of the sudden 6 new teams form. In the next 3 months they become the best in the scene, absolutely crushing the previous 12 teams.

If you don't invite them, nobody will think that the best Dota 2 team is at the TI4, and people will care a lot less.

this argument didn't relaly make sense anyway since newbee is pretty much a ti3 team with 1 reshuffle

But so are most chinese teams in general arent they. My point is that its hard to cheer for the teams and organisations in a team competition and that to me is a problem.

personally i don't care about team names, but i see why valve might want to cater to your kind
posting on liquid sites in current year
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 21 2014 20:54 GMT
#3053
On July 22 2014 05:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:52 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:51 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:48 disciple wrote:
So the scene will be fairly fucked up again in the next 3 or so months because everyone will disband/retire/form new teams. I wanna be honest - I dont care about Newbie at all but if valve keep up the current qualification system we will always have teams or even entire organisations forming around February and going deep in TI. Dunno about valve letting the scene sort itself out anymore...


Disciple, the thing is, what are you supposed to do?

Say there are 12 teams that are on top, all of the sudden 6 new teams form. In the next 3 months they become the best in the scene, absolutely crushing the previous 12 teams.

If you don't invite them, nobody will think that the best Dota 2 team is at the TI4, and people will care a lot less.

this argument didn't relaly make sense anyway since newbee is pretty much a ti3 team with 1 reshuffle


Different name, but also, lets say that happens, my argument does hold.

er i meant disciple's argument, newbee wasn't unknown or new, just a new name on old players

same deal as titan really
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
July 21 2014 20:55 GMT
#3054
On July 22 2014 05:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:52 Animzor wrote:
so many months of build-up and hype for absolutely nothing. anonymous team goes against other anonymous team and one of them wins the biggest prize ever in esports. WHY!? gonna pretend like this fucking tournament never happened.

of all the complaints, i wish "anonymous" were a bannable offense

at least they are no faceless koreans
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 21 2014 20:55 GMT
#3055
On July 22 2014 05:52 zul wrote:
"congratz newbee" is a worldwide twitter trend atm

o.O doesn't show up for me
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 21 2014 20:55 GMT
#3056
Well that was an underwhelming finals.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 21 2014 20:55 GMT
#3057
On July 22 2014 05:50 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:48 disciple wrote:
So the scene will be fairly fucked up again in the next 3 or so months because everyone will disband/retire/form new teams. I wanna be honest - I dont care about Newbie at all but if valve keep up the current qualification system we will always have teams or even entire organisations forming around February and going deep in TI. Dunno about valve letting the scene sort itself out anymore...


Disciple, the thing is, what are you supposed to do?

Say there are 12 teams that are on top, all of the sudden 6 new teams form. In the next 3 months they become the best in the scene, absolutely crushing the previous 12 teams.

If you don't invite them, nobody will think that the best Dota 2 team is at the TI4, and people will care a lot less.

Also Newbee forming in Feb wasn't just for TI--Chinese New Year holiday is the only real "off-season" time for China that makes sense for major roster changes.
Moderator
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
July 21 2014 20:55 GMT
#3058
BANANA SANSHENG BROMANCE NEW BEST BROMANCE
Dirtyharry
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany171 Posts
July 21 2014 20:56 GMT
#3059
Hm, not the exciting games I was hoping for. Every match so fast and onesided.
I was in Ravenholm
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
July 21 2014 20:56 GMT
#3060
On July 22 2014 05:55 75 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:53 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On July 22 2014 05:52 Animzor wrote:
so many months of build-up and hype for absolutely nothing. anonymous team goes against other anonymous team and one of them wins the biggest prize ever in esports. WHY!? gonna pretend like this fucking tournament never happened.

of all the complaints, i wish "anonymous" were a bannable offense

at least they are no faceless koreans

Anonymous Chinese and faceless Koreans are killing eSports !
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