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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 14 2014 18:56 GMT
#1321
On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2.

would all-in really be better?

Was it really though?

level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo.

that draft was fine through all stages of the game for newbee, they would have needed to lose 2-3 at rosh to titan to lose
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Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
July 14 2014 18:56 GMT
#1322
On July 15 2014 03:55 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:54 Wintex wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:53 sacrilegious wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:51 teapoted wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:50 sacrilegious wrote:
Newbee has gotten a bad reputation these last few days and probably justifiably so

But wow, give them credit this game for having the balls to level 1 rosh and then pushing it, no sympathy for Titan especially picking Naga
Level 1 rosh doesn't exactly take a lot of balls.

You kidding? I would say that was pretty high risk for the stakes on the line. If they got spotted and didn't get it, then it would have been likely GG for Newbee

It's never 100 % GG there, but it's fucking hard to come back.
It's not like NB would have lost 5 heroes. In fact they probably wouldn't have lost any.

Worst case scenario, you have some shit skills in lane level 1.

Yep, I'm just saying. Even in the worst possible outcome, it's not an ez gg.
The Bomber boy
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
July 14 2014 18:56 GMT
#1323
Ugh was hoping I'd get a Whaleblade. Just got stache + arcana and some random value items intsead.
secret - never again
lolnoty
Profile Joined December 2005
United States7166 Posts
July 14 2014 18:56 GMT
#1324
On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2.

would all-in really be better?

Was it really though?

level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo.


I'm not so sure. Alliance's level 1 rosh before this left them with a slight gold/xp adv. even after teamwiping in the pit. They lost because their lanes were complete garbage after the rosh.

In this case Newbee had the lanes after the rosh, if they wipe in the pit with no rosh kill, it would probably be a fairly even trade of heroes and then into good lanes.
"PPD is a very angry guy. He controls us." - Arteezy
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
July 14 2014 18:57 GMT
#1325
Can't imagine how much it must suck to lose to a level 1 rosh when you're 1 game away from main event. Damn, they were probably ready to play their hearts out and they just started at a huge disadvantage to a snowballing push lineup.
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
July 14 2014 18:57 GMT
#1326
On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.

They had a fucking AA.

Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose.


This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
July 14 2014 18:57 GMT
#1327
On July 15 2014 03:56 lolnoty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2.

would all-in really be better?

Was it really though?

level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo.


I'm not so sure. Alliance's level 1 rosh before this left them with a slight gold/xp adv. even after teamwiping in the pit. They lost because their lanes were complete garbage after the rosh.

In this case Newbee had the lanes after the rosh, if they wipe in the pit with no rosh kill, it would probably be a fairly even trade of heroes and then into good lanes.

Because they actually managed to get Rosh. It wasn't a complete failure. If they didn't, it would be over.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1328
On July 15 2014 03:56 giftdgecko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2.

would all-in really be better?

Was it really though?

level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo.

exactly, they invested how much gold into it? regen, items, skills are all lvl'd a certain way for it and if it fails you are generally starting from behind


None of the skills they leveled were ones they wouldn't level anyway though. NB would have had to lose their whole team to come out behind if Titan went to fight.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1329
On July 15 2014 03:56 giftdgecko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2.

would all-in really be better?

Was it really though?

level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo.

exactly, they invested how much gold into it? regen, items, skills are all lvl'd a certain way for it and if it fails you are generally starting from behind


In that regard its a lot less chessy than most things since everybody on the team more or less got what they would have in lane and didn't blow tps/extra regen
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1330
On July 15 2014 03:54 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:53 sacrilegious wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:51 teapoted wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:50 sacrilegious wrote:
Newbee has gotten a bad reputation these last few days and probably justifiably so

But wow, give them credit this game for having the balls to level 1 rosh and then pushing it, no sympathy for Titan especially picking Naga
Level 1 rosh doesn't exactly take a lot of balls.

You kidding? I would say that was pretty high risk for the stakes on the line. If they got spotted and didn't get it, then it would have been likely GG for Newbee


They had the better lvl team fight as well. If they got spotted, they would've won the fight


If the enemy team runs in when all your heroes are half hp from being hit by rosh I don't think you win the fight
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 18:58:45
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1331
On July 15 2014 03:56 Procake wrote:
Sheever's favourite piece of analysis is saying a team should "play their own game" for every single game.

I love consistency, too.Glad to meet another Sheever fan
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1332
On July 15 2014 03:57 Oktyabr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.

They had a fucking AA.

Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose.


This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted.


They had a ward setup did they not? No way they don't see Titan coming
secret - never again
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1333
At the very least, newbee would have some difficulty pushing into illuminate. Anything that buys time for radiance is good, and kotl is great for that
wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1334
On July 15 2014 03:56 ch33psh33p wrote:
Ugh was hoping I'd get a Whaleblade. Just got stache + arcana and some random value items intsead.


Damn you rich kids.
Yungin' Leanin' with Pourple Drink
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1335
Newbee or Na'Vi? I think Na'Vi, they beat them in groupstage and they're a bo3 team, they usually perform in playoffs. But I'm a Na'Vi fanboy so I can't tell if I'm just biased towards them. Any thoughts?
super gg
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1336
On July 15 2014 03:55 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:54 Kishin2 wrote:
It's not like Titan could contest a lvl 1 rosh anyways with their draft, not with Luna aura + chilling touch.

You don't need the better lvl 1 fight to stop a rosh attempt.

Well, you're going to need some way to scout into the pit. Then what? You run up with leshrac and hope for a 5 man earth split? Whoever goes up close is going to lifted by rubick and bursted down in half a second.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 14 2014 18:58 GMT
#1337
On July 15 2014 03:55 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:54 Kishin2 wrote:
It's not like Titan could contest a lvl 1 rosh anyways with their draft, not with Luna aura + chilling touch.

You don't need the better lvl 1 fight to stop a rosh attempt.

You don't but if they have the better level 1 fight and AREN'T doing Rosh, you could get forced into a bad fight checking.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 14 2014 18:59 GMT
#1338
Please remember chilling touch was on CD which is like 40s although they did smartly save it until after the treant had scouted to make sure nobody was coming in to rosh unless they were smoked.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 18:59:26
July 14 2014 18:59 GMT
#1339
On July 15 2014 03:58 cecek wrote:
Newbee or Na'Vi? I think Na'Vi, they beat them in groupstage and they're a bo3 team, they usually perform in playoffs. But I'm a Na'Vi fanboy so I can't tell if I'm just biased towards them. Any thoughts?
I think Na'Vi on paper but I don't trust Na'Vi's drafts to be consistently functional at the moment.
Once you Goblak...
Kishin2
Profile Joined May 2011
United States7534 Posts
July 14 2014 18:59 GMT
#1340
On July 15 2014 03:58 Weasel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 03:54 Hassybaby wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:53 sacrilegious wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:51 teapoted wrote:
On July 15 2014 03:50 sacrilegious wrote:
Newbee has gotten a bad reputation these last few days and probably justifiably so

But wow, give them credit this game for having the balls to level 1 rosh and then pushing it, no sympathy for Titan especially picking Naga
Level 1 rosh doesn't exactly take a lot of balls.

You kidding? I would say that was pretty high risk for the stakes on the line. If they got spotted and didn't get it, then it would have been likely GG for Newbee


They had the better lvl team fight as well. If they got spotted, they would've won the fight


If the enemy team runs in when all your heroes are half hp from being hit by rosh I don't think you win the fight

Only 1 hero was tanking rosh at a time + treants.
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