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On July 15 2014 03:57 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:56 lolnoty wrote:On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2. would all-in really be better? Was it really though? level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo. I'm not so sure. Alliance's level 1 rosh before this left them with a slight gold/xp adv. even after teamwiping in the pit. They lost because their lanes were complete garbage after the rosh. In this case Newbee had the lanes after the rosh, if they wipe in the pit with no rosh kill, it would probably be a fairly even trade of heroes and then into good lanes. Because they actually managed to get Rosh. It wasn't a complete failure. If they didn't, it would be over.
If titan fought into newbee, newbee theoretically doesn't get rosh, I still think newbee trades at worst in the level 1 fight. That angle to fight into that many ranged + AA heroes is stupid deadly. I still say titan finds that rosh it's at best an even trade and no rosh.
In that way, it's really not as risky as people think. Newbee didn't draft like Ogre Ursa that just get destroyed if it fails. I'm just saying it's not "all-in" in the SC2 sense that people think it is.
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On July 15 2014 03:58 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:55 SKC wrote:On July 15 2014 03:54 Kishin2 wrote:
It's not like Titan could contest a lvl 1 rosh anyways with their draft, not with Luna aura + chilling touch. You don't need the better lvl 1 fight to stop a rosh attempt. You don't but if they have the better level 1 fight and AREN'T doing Rosh, you could get forced into a bad fight checking.
Yes, you can fall in a rosh bait. But people saying that NB could simply win the fight even if Titan found them midway through it are just wrong.
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On July 15 2014 03:58 cecek wrote:
Newbee or Na'Vi? I think Na'Vi, they beat them in groupstage and they're a bo3 team, they usually perform in playoffs. But I'm a Na'Vi fanboy so I can't tell if I'm just biased towards them. Any thoughts?
Really can't tell. Both teams are so inconsistent that it just depends who shows up.
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On July 15 2014 03:57 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.
They had a fucking AA.
Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose. This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted.
you reallyyyy underestimate chilling touch
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On July 15 2014 03:59 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:58 cecek wrote:
Newbee or Na'Vi? I think Na'Vi, they beat them in groupstage and they're a bo3 team, they usually perform in playoffs. But I'm a Na'Vi fanboy so I can't tell if I'm just biased towards them. Any thoughts? I think Na'Vi on paper but I don't trust Na'Vi's drafts to be consistently functional at the moment.
xboct best support jugg, run him dual off with carry funn1k luna
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On July 15 2014 03:58 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:57 Oktyabr wrote:On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.
They had a fucking AA.
Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose. This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted. They had a ward setup did they not? No way they don't see Titan coming
And then what? They retreat back to get ready for lanes and they're missing both restoratives and stat items. Definitely still a loss.
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Dang I need to see game 2. What happened? D:
At least NewBee won the set! On to the next one! 
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On July 15 2014 03:56 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:54 edgemega wrote:On July 15 2014 03:54 Kishin2 wrote:
It's not like Titan could contest a lvl 1 rosh anyways with their draft, not with Luna aura + chilling touch. they could with kotl. kotl is like the king of lvl 1 rosh fights aside from ES and old veno with op gale i don't understand your obsession with kotl. i agree that newbee outdrafted titan but you really think that hero could single handedly change the outcome of a level one roshan?
its more over the leshrac pick. with the last pick dk you know they are going to push, especially with luna and np. You also know that they can lvl 1 rosh (or should.) so you need a hero who can fight well at lvl one and depush. The heros that can do that are:
Kotl who can illuminate and depush, as well as make your naga a nightmare in the midgame. Is a slightly below average roaming support with your sandking as well but better than nothing and can help clear camps for a faster blink for sandking if you were happent obe given the space.
Veno: gale lvl 1 is not that good for fights anymore, but wards can depush and strong roam.
Earthshaker: 2 melee supports is difficult to go aggressive with, so they would have to run more standard lanes, and even then if nb plays normal, titans trilane gets crushed
With kotl the rosh ends. You cant sit in there and tank illuminates, Even with chilling touch thats a lost fight. It also gives them a better draft, still one dimensional, but at least able to do what the draft was intended to do
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On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2. would all-in really be better? Was it really though? level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo.
NB's lineup had pretty reasonable lvl 1 clash, and it's not like they were all dying in the pit. Dont think the game ends just by Titan realizes the lvl 1 rosh is happening. Also I don't remember if NB had a ward on bot rune, but that would also make is less risky.
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On July 15 2014 04:00 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:57 Oktyabr wrote:On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.
They had a fucking AA.
Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose. This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted. you reallyyyy underestimate chilling touch
They wouldn't even have it. It's the first thing they spent in the pit.
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Does next game even matter? Na'Vi prolly cheese just so they can hero run from LB
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On July 15 2014 03:59 lolnoty wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 03:57 SKC wrote:On July 15 2014 03:56 lolnoty wrote:On July 15 2014 03:54 Kuroeeah wrote:On July 15 2014 03:52 Alur wrote:On July 15 2014 03:48 giftdgecko wrote:On July 15 2014 03:48 Alur wrote:
Not a big fan of using the term cheese in dota 2. would all-in really be better? Was it really though? level one roshan being an all in is almost indisputable imo. I'm not so sure. Alliance's level 1 rosh before this left them with a slight gold/xp adv. even after teamwiping in the pit. They lost because their lanes were complete garbage after the rosh. In this case Newbee had the lanes after the rosh, if they wipe in the pit with no rosh kill, it would probably be a fairly even trade of heroes and then into good lanes. Because they actually managed to get Rosh. It wasn't a complete failure. If they didn't, it would be over. If titan fought into newbee, newbee theoretically doesn't get rosh, I still think newbee trades at worst in the level 1 fight. That angle to fight into that many ranged + AA heroes is stupid deadly. I still say titan finds that rosh it's at best an even trade and no rosh. In that way, it's really not as risky as people think. Newbee didn't draft like Ogre Ursa that just get destroyed if it fails. I'm just saying it's not "all-in" in the SC2 sense that people think it is.
Strongly agree
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On July 15 2014 04:01 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 04:00 opterown wrote:On July 15 2014 03:57 Oktyabr wrote:On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.
They had a fucking AA.
Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose. This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted. you reallyyyy underestimate chilling touch They wouldn't even have it. It's the first thing they spent in the pit.
No it wasn't. He kept hold of his chilling touch the whole time.
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On July 15 2014 04:00 Frazzlehoon wrote:Dang I need to see game 2. What happened? D: At least NewBee won the set! On to the next one!
Hao and Xiao8 choked hard.
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On July 15 2014 04:01 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 04:00 opterown wrote:On July 15 2014 03:57 Oktyabr wrote:On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.
They had a fucking AA.
Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose. This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted. you reallyyyy underestimate chilling touch They wouldn't even have it. It's the first thing they spent in the pit. Well that's an issue of execution, not strategy.
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On July 15 2014 04:01 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2014 04:00 opterown wrote:On July 15 2014 03:57 Oktyabr wrote:On July 15 2014 03:55 ch33psh33p wrote:
No chance titan could contest level 1 rosh.
They had a fucking AA.
Chilling touch on 5 heroes. You'd need a 5 man burrow into 5 man earth split for NB to lose. This must be a big joke right? You do rosh halfway and you have 1 guy still tanking roshan and another guy healing up, not to mention that you are down on stat items for a couple of heroes. It's an instant team fight loss once it's scouted. you reallyyyy underestimate chilling touch They wouldn't even have it. It's the first thing they spent in the pit.
This actually. The only major thing Newbee would have going for them in contesting would really be Luna. Not saying that they would auto-lose the teamfight or something silly but just a factor to consider.
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