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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 14 2014 21:12 GMT
#2261
Anyone know whether or not we're actually going to wait and follow the schedule?

Cus I'mma play a game if so.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Snorkle
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 14 2014 21:12 GMT
#2262
On July 15 2014 06:09 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:08 Orome wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:05 FreakyDroid wrote:
Waiting for the xvost haters to jump in because obviously he throws and he is the sole reason why navi loses.


Clearly. Plus Liquid needs to kick TC and wayto, mason and ppd are terrible so EG will never win anything, arteezy's the most overrated player in the world. Oh and Clown9 should just disband, they're the worst team of all time.

By now I find it entertaining. It's so predictable.

>ppd
>terrible
Has anyone ever said that?

On June 07 2014 09:21 Jaaaaasper wrote:
PPD is synderen 2.0. Hes a great drafter and captain, but his teams don't do well against the very best becuase hes weak as a individual player. Plus mason doesn't actually play hard carry, so if rtz gets even slowed down they're fucked. Like mason was going aghs on gyro before the game was decided. You can put him on a hard carry, but hes going to play utility because thats just how they've been playing for months now.
Zizy
Profile Joined August 2012
Croatia684 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2263
On July 15 2014 06:11 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:06 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:00 Zealously wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:59 waever wrote:
i take back the part where i say that Na'Vi might win 1 bo3 series in loosers bracket, they will probably loose to meepo or smtn like that. Fucking pathetic. No clue about meta/drafts, no clue about laning, no clue about rotations.

i predict disband


Na'Vi have been in bad shape before, I think disbanding is highly unlikely


There has been rumors that Na'Vi would probably disband.
At least that's what Arteezy said in his interview at Dreamhack.

Best source ever...

NaVi its a pretty huge organization if not the biggest when it comes to esports, considering they just picked NaVi US which means they are big into Dota 2,

do you really think they would pull the plug on NaVi EU which just won 500k and have the chances to win more in other tournaments vs NAVi US which just fail misserably in the TI4 round robin ???


Well good luck keeping a player(unless he's under a contract) that doesn't want to play the game anymore.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2264
On July 15 2014 06:09 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:08 Orome wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:05 FreakyDroid wrote:
Waiting for the xvost haters to jump in because obviously he throws and he is the sole reason why navi loses.


Clearly. Plus Liquid needs to kick TC and wayto, mason and ppd are terrible so EG will never win anything, arteezy's the most overrated player in the world. Oh and Clown9 should just disband, they're the worst team of all time.

By now I find it entertaining. It's so predictable.

>ppd
>terrible
Has anyone ever said that?


Loads of people. The popular opinion for a long time was that he's a good drafter/captain, but very mediocre in terms of individual skill. That's mostly died down, but it does surface again whenever EG lose bad games.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2265
byebye navi
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2266
On July 15 2014 06:11 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:06 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:00 Zealously wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:59 waever wrote:
i take back the part where i say that Na'Vi might win 1 bo3 series in loosers bracket, they will probably loose to meepo or smtn like that. Fucking pathetic. No clue about meta/drafts, no clue about laning, no clue about rotations.

i predict disband


Na'Vi have been in bad shape before, I think disbanding is highly unlikely


There has been rumors that Na'Vi would probably disband.
At least that's what Arteezy said in his interview at Dreamhack.

Best source ever...

NaVi its a pretty huge organization if not the biggest when it comes to esports, considering they just picked NaVi US which means they are big into Dota 2,

do you really think they would pull the plug on NaVi EU which just won 500k and have the chances to win more in other tournaments vs NAVi US which just fail misserably in the TI4 round robin ???



If there's severe issues within the team yes. And considering last year it was pretty clear there's a split between Ppy/Kky and Hvost/Dendi/Funn1k, I'd wager that if they don't get top 4/5, Na'vi is splitting up after TI.
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2267
On July 15 2014 06:06 Kishin2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:05 FreakyDroid wrote:
Waiting for the xvost haters to jump in because obviously he throws and he is the sole reason why navi loses.

His lack of a hero pool seems to be bottlenecking their draft.


Whats bottlenecking their draft is ppy's unoriginality. Even when ppy makes a decent draft, they still lose because of poor map rotation from supports, thats the key problem with NaVi, its not because of one single person underperforming who ever it may be at a given game.
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
Nikto
Profile Joined May 2014
Slovakia410 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2268
On July 15 2014 06:09 smr wrote:
ggwp newbee. i guess you make my fantasy team own so I'm okay with it : )
just sad to see the razor pick. puppey might have had a plan to play him all along but my impression is that navi (as lots of other teams) tried to play this ti's meta and when they do so they 're really inconsistent and shaky.

nobody plays it right now but you love storm/puck + lifestealer. just go for it once and try it out? where are the timber, the bounty? what's up with not playing ta? dendi is so good on that hero and navi just abandoned it at one point while others make it work again.


let kuro draft an lead, out of all the people he seems to know some shit, when I watch na'vi games, enemy smokes he precisely pings out where they are and shit, but as it so seems nobody listens, hell I think he is far superior to puppey in whatever they do, be it playing or even giving interviews, puppey lives out of his ïntelligent" image, but they figired the shit out and he is now lost as a sheep between wolves
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2269
On July 15 2014 06:07 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:06 opterown wrote:
that was strangely easy, I dno navi looked off today, I don't think newbee were that spectacular

navi have looked like this for a couple of months now

they looked decent in groups
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
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Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
July 14 2014 21:13 GMT
#2270
On July 15 2014 06:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:09 Derity wrote:
Did Navi win with this kind of draft earlier?
Their drafts just did not look any good. I don't agree with Razer in both of these matches


Navi won all three of their previous Tiny Wisp games at TI4.

did they also have Razer with it?
zzdd
Profile Joined December 2010
United States484 Posts
July 14 2014 21:14 GMT
#2271
After every TI, every player has to consider if they want to play for another year or consider other career paths. Shouldn't be a surprise to see every team disband.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
July 14 2014 21:14 GMT
#2272
On July 15 2014 06:11 Faruko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:06 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:00 Zealously wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:59 waever wrote:
i take back the part where i say that Na'Vi might win 1 bo3 series in loosers bracket, they will probably loose to meepo or smtn like that. Fucking pathetic. No clue about meta/drafts, no clue about laning, no clue about rotations.

i predict disband


Na'Vi have been in bad shape before, I think disbanding is highly unlikely


There has been rumors that Na'Vi would probably disband.
At least that's what Arteezy said in his interview at Dreamhack.

Best source ever...

NaVi its a pretty huge organization if not the biggest when it comes to esports, considering they just picked NaVi US which means they are big into Dota 2,

do you really think they would pull the plug on NaVi EU which just won 500k and have the chances to win more in other tournaments vs NAVi US which just fail misserably in the TI4 round robin ??? neither of these teams are going anywhere

Na'Vi won't pull the plug on them but if Na'Vi.EU doesn't make it to somewhere around i'd say top 4, i think it's a safe assumption that some players will be swapped for others.
toemn
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany915 Posts
July 14 2014 21:14 GMT
#2273
If Na'Vi performs only slightly like they did in this series they will have no chance against C9, who seem to have adapted very well to the TI4 meta. But you never know with Navi.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34171 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 21:15:55
July 14 2014 21:15 GMT
#2274
Change in roster (at least for me) its COMPLETELY different then the team disbanding... yes, maybe some of the players could be changed but that happens everytime, everywhere and in every sports...
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
July 14 2014 21:15 GMT
#2275
On July 15 2014 06:13 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:11 Faruko wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:06 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:00 Zealously wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:59 waever wrote:
i take back the part where i say that Na'Vi might win 1 bo3 series in loosers bracket, they will probably loose to meepo or smtn like that. Fucking pathetic. No clue about meta/drafts, no clue about laning, no clue about rotations.

i predict disband


Na'Vi have been in bad shape before, I think disbanding is highly unlikely


There has been rumors that Na'Vi would probably disband.
At least that's what Arteezy said in his interview at Dreamhack.

Best source ever...

NaVi its a pretty huge organization if not the biggest when it comes to esports, considering they just picked NaVi US which means they are big into Dota 2,

do you really think they would pull the plug on NaVi EU which just won 500k and have the chances to win more in other tournaments vs NAVi US which just fail misserably in the TI4 round robin ???



If there's severe issues within the team yes. And considering last year it was pretty clear there's a split between Ppy/Kky and Hvost/Dendi/Funn1k, I'd wager that if they don't get top 4/5, Na'vi is splitting up after TI.


I don't know... with the pot so large now I wouldn't be so confident about things being mixed up. Like being a top 8 team is good enough for everyone to pull in a pretty good salary for the year. Why risk that by mixing up a team and possibly ending up out of the tournament completely?
Logo
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 21:17:29
July 14 2014 21:15 GMT
#2276
On July 15 2014 06:13 FreakyDroid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:06 Kishin2 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:05 FreakyDroid wrote:
Waiting for the xvost haters to jump in because obviously he throws and he is the sole reason why navi loses.

His lack of a hero pool seems to be bottlenecking their draft.


Whats bottlenecking their draft is ppy's unoriginality. Even when ppy makes a decent draft, they still lose because of poor map rotation from supports, thats the key problem with NaVi, its not because of one single person underperforming who ever it may be at a given game.



The bottleneck really is just the lack of communication between the teammates.


On July 15 2014 06:15 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:13 superstartran wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:11 Faruko wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:06 Diavlo wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:00 Zealously wrote:
On July 15 2014 05:59 waever wrote:
i take back the part where i say that Na'Vi might win 1 bo3 series in loosers bracket, they will probably loose to meepo or smtn like that. Fucking pathetic. No clue about meta/drafts, no clue about laning, no clue about rotations.

i predict disband


Na'Vi have been in bad shape before, I think disbanding is highly unlikely


There has been rumors that Na'Vi would probably disband.
At least that's what Arteezy said in his interview at Dreamhack.

Best source ever...

NaVi its a pretty huge organization if not the biggest when it comes to esports, considering they just picked NaVi US which means they are big into Dota 2,

do you really think they would pull the plug on NaVi EU which just won 500k and have the chances to win more in other tournaments vs NAVi US which just fail misserably in the TI4 round robin ???



If there's severe issues within the team yes. And considering last year it was pretty clear there's a split between Ppy/Kky and Hvost/Dendi/Funn1k, I'd wager that if they don't get top 4/5, Na'vi is splitting up after TI.


I don't know... with the pot so large now I wouldn't be so confident about things being mixed up. Like being a top 8 team is good enough for everyone to pull in a pretty good salary for the year. Why risk that by mixing up a team and possibly ending up out of the tournament completely?



If Hvost wants Kky and Ppy gone they will be gone. Hvost has alot more leverage within the Na'vi organization then you think. Not to mention, Kky and Ppy's styles of play have always conflicted with Hvost. Although Hvost is an aggressive type of carry player who shows up and tries to get early game kills, he still does need space to farm. Issue has been since Ars-Art/LOH left, he has no space creators. AA and LOH though they've degraded in skill tremendously, when they were on top of their game their style of play was much more in line with how Hvost played. They didn't take nearly as much farm off the map as Kky and Funnik/Ppy do. Right now, you've got Dendi, Kky, Ppy, and Funnik all fighting for farm on the map along with Hvost, which has been leading to the disaster that you see currently.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 14 2014 21:15 GMT
#2277
On July 15 2014 06:12 Snorkle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:09 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:08 Orome wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:05 FreakyDroid wrote:
Waiting for the xvost haters to jump in because obviously he throws and he is the sole reason why navi loses.


Clearly. Plus Liquid needs to kick TC and wayto, mason and ppd are terrible so EG will never win anything, arteezy's the most overrated player in the world. Oh and Clown9 should just disband, they're the worst team of all time.

By now I find it entertaining. It's so predictable.

>ppd
>terrible
Has anyone ever said that?

Show nested quote +
On June 07 2014 09:21 Jaaaaasper wrote:
PPD is synderen 2.0. Hes a great drafter and captain, but his teams don't do well against the very best becuase hes weak as a individual player. Plus mason doesn't actually play hard carry, so if rtz gets even slowed down they're fucked. Like mason was going aghs on gyro before the game was decided. You can put him on a hard carry, but hes going to play utility because thats just how they've been playing for months now.


RIP Jasper
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
July 14 2014 21:15 GMT
#2278
On July 15 2014 06:13 Derity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2014 06:10 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On July 15 2014 06:09 Derity wrote:
Did Navi win with this kind of draft earlier?
Their drafts just did not look any good. I don't agree with Razer in both of these matches


Navi won all three of their previous Tiny Wisp games at TI4.

did they also have Razer with it?


They did in one of the games.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-14 21:16:43
July 14 2014 21:16 GMT
#2279
honestly, i give c9 an 80% shot if pld is drafting and a 20% shot if envy is drafting, envy still lacks drafting fundamentals and picks niche heroes too fast (first or second phase) without thinking about their weaknesses (i.e. the fact they might become feedlords and often do, andor lack pushing or midgame development power)
posting on liquid sites in current year
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 14 2014 21:16 GMT
#2280
On July 15 2014 06:12 KristofferAG wrote:
Anyone know whether or not we're actually going to wait and follow the schedule?

Cus I'mma play a game if so.

it'll start soon DW the TL calendar is just my estimation
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