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On May 27 2014 17:49 opterown wrote:
in their past 25 games,
Hao: Slark, Morphling x2, Viper, Lifestealer x4, Ember Spirit x2, Razor, Antimage, Mirana, Gyro, Tiny, Luna x3, Wraith King, Bloodseeker, Weaver, Spectre, Dragon Knight, Nature's Prophet, Naga Siren
Burning: Viper x2, Clinkz x5, Lone Druid x2, Lifestealer x4, Antimage, Pugna, Weaver x3, Mirana, Wraith King, Morphling, Luna, Gyrocopter, Faceless Void, Tiny
Hao's seems a tad larger
Interesting stats.
Two points though:
1. Versatility refers to a player's capability to play many heroes - the fact that a player has not played a hero in the last X games does not mean he isn't capable.
2. Versatility also requires that the player can play those particular heroes WELL. I can play 50 heroes in 50 games, but if I suck at all of them, I'm not versatile. That being said, I have no idea how well Hao played those heroes. He may very well be the most versatile carry. I would, however, hazard that Hao was excellent in some and so-so in others.
In essence, the number of heroes a player has played in the past X games is one factor amongst many in determining versatility.
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On May 27 2014 17:52 Kipsate wrote:
Just because he didn't pick it doesn't mean he can't play it tho.
Yeah, it just shows that xiao8 can trust Hao picking almost everything hero and that's important.
He didn't have that luxury at LGD lol.
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I think the most important stat that BurNIng and Hao share between them is 2-2. In 2014 BurNIng won WPC and G-League vs. Hao's team and Hao won ECL and MarsTV vs. BurNIng's team. I prefer BurNIng's record personally.
edit - wait Newbee didn't win MarsTV vs. DK so my comparison makes less sense. I guess if we compare MarsTV we also have to compare Fengyun and SL9 quals too.
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On May 27 2014 17:55 Asha` wrote:
In their past 25 games;
xioa8:
ET x3, Tide x3, Doom x4, BM, Mirana x6, Centaur x3, Furion x3, Clock, and DS
Iceiceice:
Invoker x3, Bat x3, ET x3, Bounty, Centaur x3, Furion x3, Dark Seer, Undying, Bristleback x2, Timbersaw, Brewmaster, Clock x2, Doom, and Windranger
For me versatility doesn't mean numbers, it means how you build the draft for your team.
As good as icex3 played Doom, Brew (yeah that especially lol), WR, Bounty, DS and Bristle they are not his signature heroes by any stretch and were mostly given him on a fly. Also he isn't technically a Chinese player 
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 27 2014 17:56 Nagamundo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 17:49 opterown wrote:
in their past 25 games,
Hao: Slark, Morphling x2, Viper, Lifestealer x4, Ember Spirit x2, Razor, Antimage, Mirana, Gyro, Tiny, Luna x3, Wraith King, Bloodseeker, Weaver, Spectre, Dragon Knight, Nature's Prophet, Naga Siren
Burning: Viper x2, Clinkz x5, Lone Druid x2, Lifestealer x4, Antimage, Pugna, Weaver x3, Mirana, Wraith King, Morphling, Luna, Gyrocopter, Faceless Void, Tiny
Hao's seems a tad larger Interesting stats. Two points though: 1. Versatility refers to a player's capability to play many heroes - the fact that a player has not played a hero in the last X games does not mean he isn't capable. 2. Versatility also requires that the player can play those particular heroes WELL. I can play 50 heroes in 50 games, but if I suck at all of them, I'm not versatile. That being said, I have no idea how well Hao played those heroes. He may very well be the most versatile carry. I would, however, hazard that Hao was excellent in some and so-so in others. In essence, the number of heroes a player has played in the past X games is one factor amongst many in determining versatility.
well, hao has a higher winrate in those 25 games than burning does, but carry pick is just one small factor
On May 27 2014 18:01 Omigawa wrote:
I think the most important stat that BurNIng and Hao share between them is 2-2. In 2014 BurNIng won WPC and G-League vs. Hao's team and Hao won ECL and MarsTV vs. BurNIng's team. I prefer BurNIng's record personally.
edit - wait Newbee didn't win MarsTV vs. DK so my comparison makes less sense. I guess if we compare MarsTV we also have to compare Fengyun and SL9 quals too.
WPC was 2013, the finals were played on like jan 1st that hardly counts lol
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icex3 never playing Mirana?
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@Omigawa, don't worry nobody is claiming Newbee > DK. It's meaningless before TI4 anyway.
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Ah jeez C9 can't even line up straight today.
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LOL EE has a box raising his monitor... was that there for the other players or is that an EE special upgrade
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Norway25712 Posts
On May 27 2014 18:08 Laurens wrote:
icex3 never playing Mirana?
Not according to datdota.
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On May 27 2014 18:09 JerKy wrote:
LOL EE has a box raising his monitor... was that there for the other players or is that an EE special upgrade
EE has always had something like this either a box for monitor or a pillow for his butt.
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EE's most succesful heroes includes rubick?
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 27 2014 18:11 juff wrote:
EE's most succesful heroes includes rubick?
stint on NTH support?
yeah he's 10-4 on it apparently lol
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On May 27 2014 18:11 juff wrote:
EE's most succesful heroes includes rubick?
You talk as if you want wpc stats guy to think before he sticks stats up there.
But ya it comes from nth.
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
On May 27 2014 18:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 17:55 Asha` wrote:
In their past 25 games;
xioa8:
ET x3, Tide x3, Doom x4, BM, Mirana x6, Centaur x3, Furion x3, Clock, and DS
Iceiceice:
Invoker x3, Bat x3, ET x3, Bounty, Centaur x3, Furion x3, Dark Seer, Undying, Bristleback x2, Timbersaw, Brewmaster, Clock x2, Doom, and Windranger
For me versatility doesn't mean numbers, it means how you build the draft for your team. As good as icex3 played Doom, Brew (yeah that especially lol), WR, Bounty, DS and Bristle they are not his signature heroes by any stretch and were mostly given him on a fly. Also he isn't technically a Chinese player
Being able to not draft only your signature heroes is surely a sign of versatility lol? Anyway small sample numbers are pretty worthless, even if you only play 5 heroes a whole patch that can have its own benefits, as long as you can play heroes well to suit the way the game is played at the time it's all good.
and just to be a pain
YYF's last 25: clock, furion x4, pugna x4, slark x2, axe x2, lifestealer x4, dark seer x3, viper, pudge, bat x2, Puck
Rotks last 25: clock x2, doom x8, furion x4, beastmaster, timbersaw, Elder Titan, Invoker, Dark Seer, Nyx x3, Tinker, Wraith King, Bat,
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now back to the games
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@Asha': YYF and rOtk are hit-or-miss though. icex3, except that single nigtmarish panda game, always plays at least at decent level.
>Being able to not draft only your signature heroes is surely a sign of versatility lol?
It works both ways, yeah.
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
Who's drafting for C9 now?
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Woke up in time for C9! Fuckyeah!
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