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On September 03 2012 03:45 klopetra wrote:
Wow that were the first really interesting stats from statman bruno...apart from the no-legs statistic obviously!
what'd he say? I needed to get myself something to eat
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On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback.
Well, when a team comes back from a disadvantage, even a very minor one, it's always a terrible throw when you read this forum, so don't read too much into it.
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FUCK ME ! My PC went boonkers and crushed and started restarting over and over in a infinite cycle and took me an hour to get this shit fixed....
What did i miss ??!
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On September 03 2012 03:46 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback. Comebacks only happen in MOBA games when the enemy makes a mistake. That's just the way it is due to the level / farm mechanic.
Same for sc2, a mistake might be not foreseeing the way the opponent attempts to comeback
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On September 03 2012 03:46 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback. Comebacks only happen in MOBA games when the enemy makes a mistake. That's just the way it is due to the level / farm mechanic.
shouldnt comebacks only happen if the opponent makes a mistake in any game?
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On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback.
it was still amazing play for them not making any misstakes and exploiting the opponents
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On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback.
Assuming similar draft where both teams have equally good late game, that is just the way it is. Barring terrible mistakes, the teams with early lead get early towers - more farms.
There would be games where it seems like teams come back from behind, but in actual fact, their draft just became good in the mid-late game as they have more heroes that are efficient with items.
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On September 03 2012 03:48 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:45 klopetra wrote:
Wow that were the first really interesting stats from statman bruno...apart from the no-legs statistic obviously! what'd he say? I needed to get myself something to eat
Yesterday some team with morphling + veno + enigma + lina and something won and bruno said that it was because they had no legs (lina is floating so she doesn't count).
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On September 03 2012 03:48 Obelisco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback. Comebacks only happen in MOBA games when the enemy makes a mistake. That's just the way it is due to the level / farm mechanic. shouldnt comebacks only happen if the opponent makes a mistake in any game?
In dota it is more related to the picks/line up.
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Someone wearing GSL shirt :D
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On September 03 2012 03:48 Obelisco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback. Comebacks only happen in MOBA games when the enemy makes a mistake. That's just the way it is due to the level / farm mechanic. shouldnt comebacks only happen if the opponent makes a mistake in any game?
By that logic, how does one get ahead in the first place if not by the enemy making mistakes? It depends what you call a "mistake" versus just playing great.
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On September 03 2012 03:49 Firebolt145 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:48 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 03:45 klopetra wrote:
Wow that were the first really interesting stats from statman bruno...apart from the no-legs statistic obviously! what'd he say? I needed to get myself something to eat Yesterday some team with morphling + veno + enigma + lina and something won and bruno said that it was because they had no legs (lina is floating so she doesn't count).
Right but just now not yesterday, I didn't need to eat yesterday at that time
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On September 03 2012 03:48 Obelisco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback. Comebacks only happen in MOBA games when the enemy makes a mistake. That's just the way it is due to the level / farm mechanic. shouldnt comebacks only happen if the opponent makes a mistake in any game?
Yeah, but in Dota / LoL it's worse because the advantage you gain from taking an early lead is not easily removed by the opponent via risks. In SC 2, for example, when you're behind you're able to go for an all-in, double expand, do an off timing attack, etc. to try to get back in the game. In Dota / LoL your only option is to smoke gank. Smoke ganking doesn't work against top teams these days.
There's no big 'take a risk' mechanic in Dota / LoL that allows you to gain a huge advantage when not punished.
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On September 03 2012 03:48 Obelisco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback. Comebacks only happen in MOBA games when the enemy makes a mistake. That's just the way it is due to the level / farm mechanic. shouldnt comebacks only happen if the opponent makes a mistake in any game?
Not in any game, games decided by a huge randomness factor don't require enemy to make a mistake. For example when throwing dice 
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On September 03 2012 03:48 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:45 klopetra wrote:
Wow that were the first really interesting stats from statman bruno...apart from the no-legs statistic obviously! what'd he say? I needed to get myself something to eat
BM wins 58% against Enigma. VS wins 55% against Enigma. When both BM and VS face Enigma together, they lose 68% of the time.
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On September 03 2012 03:50 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:49 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:48 Shikyo wrote:On September 03 2012 03:45 klopetra wrote:
Wow that were the first really interesting stats from statman bruno...apart from the no-legs statistic obviously! what'd he say? I needed to get myself something to eat Yesterday some team with morphling + veno + enigma + lina and something won and bruno said that it was because they had no legs (lina is floating so she doesn't count). Right but just now not yesterday, I didn't need to eat yesterday at that time
Team with BM > Team with Enigma
Vs > Enigma
But BM + VS < Enigma
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On September 03 2012 03:48 Obelisco wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2012 03:46 Azarkon wrote:On September 03 2012 03:45 Oboeman wrote:On September 03 2012 03:44 Firebolt145 wrote:On September 03 2012 03:43 Logo2010 wrote:
Being one of the uninitiated, the matches from the international I've seen this weekend have been very one sided. The team who took the first minor advantage pressed it all the way home sometimes 20 mins sometimes 60 minutes, but the end result is the same.
I'm thinking if you lose the first encounter, might as well gg because you're not getting back in this game. Watch the EHOME against Orange game. yeah this game was a lot of fun for me, as a complete newbie. Then I read the thread, where everyone who understands the game was posting about how it was actually a terrible throw, not an amazing comeback. Comebacks only happen in MOBA games when the enemy makes a mistake. That's just the way it is due to the level / farm mechanic. shouldnt comebacks only happen if the opponent makes a mistake in any game?
some line-ups are more powerful early than late and a large discrepancy between the teams composition could make a team with an early lead lose to a more late game oriented team.
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