EPTEDIT: Okay, let me say that i like what Tobi has done for Dota/Dota 2, but he sees himself and the voice and face of dota 2 because he was the first big english shoutcaster, and he's Valve's protegees. Look at the incident 2-3 days ago, when he all but thought he could demand any match to be casted by him.
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luc14n0
Brazil211 Posts
EDIT: Okay, let me say that i like what Tobi has done for Dota/Dota 2, but he sees himself and the voice and face of dota 2 because he was the first big english shoutcaster, and he's Valve's protegees. Look at the incident 2-3 days ago, when he all but thought he could demand any match to be casted by him. | ||
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Shibbywan
Canada168 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:52 luc14n0 wrote: Haha. Are you deluded ? Tobi first international cast was with MadMordigan in ESWC' 10. If you are a Tobi fanboy take a step back, no need for the language. EDIT: Okay, let me say that i like what Tobi has done for Dota/Dota 2, but he sees himself and the voice and face of dota 2 because he was the first big english shoutcaster, and he's Valve's protegees. Look at the incident 2-3 days ago, when he all but thought he could demand any match to be casted by him. He apologized after 2 hours of flaming from the community and realized his mistake, what more can you ask? | ||
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luc14n0
Brazil211 Posts
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Abraham.Purple
United States242 Posts
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:52 luc14n0 wrote: Haha. Are you deluded ? Tobi first international cast was with MadMordigan in ESWC' 10. If you are a Tobi fanboy take a step back, no need for the language. EDIT: Okay, let me say that i like what has done for Dota/Dota 2, but he sees himself and the voice and face of dota 2 because he was the first big english shoutcaster, and he's Valve's protegees. Look at the incident 2-3 days ago, when he all but thought he could demand any match to be casted by him. You're free to have whatever opinion of him you like, but you can't call him a bandwagoner when he was the first prominent english shoutcaster in DotA. And no, I'm not deluded, he was casting when I was active in 2008-2009 so I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I found his early casts unwatachable, but he's gotten a lot better, and he has a lot more input from top players than someone like Luminous who is similarly bad at playing the game, but without the knowledge and experience that Tobi has. | ||
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:45 Cel.erity wrote: I've said it before, but Tobi really does know how to play DotA, more than any other "color commentator" out there. None of the other popular English casters (Ayesee, Luminous, etc.) can give any meaningful insight on hero picks or strategy. All of the Tobi bashing is unwarranted. Saying Tobi has more game knowledge or provides more insight than Luminous is a real stretch... Sorry to put it this way, but your post just smacks of fanboyism. Luminous isn't the best, but at least he puts effort into analysis vs tobi's straight-up play-by-play casting. If you thought 2009's commentary was harsh btw... listen to 820's casts. He spent like 50% of the time bashing PCT in day 3 ehome matches. | ||
shostakovich
Brazil1429 Posts
275,000 viewers ingame is pretty sick. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:03 hideo wrote: If you thought 2009's commentary was harsh btw... listen to 820's casts. He spent like 50% of the time bashing PCT in day 3 ehome matches. His cast of CLG vs DK was hilarious. REALLY harsh (but nonetheless valid) criticism of Pajkatt and Misery's play, and how Western teams are all talk and still come get stomped at every LAN event. | ||
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Shibbywan
Canada168 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:59 Abraham.Purple wrote: How come Tobi's knowledge is anywhere near good? He's horrible, only good thing he's at is shouting and screaming. He's far below the average in term of strategy and analysis. He's bad, very bad at DotA as well. I'm not saying you've to be good at DotA so you can accomplish something at casting, but he's just horrible. ? hes a play by play commentator, he has an analyst (slesh/synderen/puppey etc) for those types of things... | ||
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
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luc14n0
Brazil211 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:05 shostakovich wrote: The International preliminary stage by the numbers 275,000 viewes ingame is pretty sick. OMG ! And those were groupstage with many matches at the same time without any real content. I image that the main event will reach the 1KK mark. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:08 Fwizzz wrote: Where can i find chinese streams? Chinese casts have all been in-game so far. If you don't have DotA 2, the casts are also on the respective Youku pages of 2009/Gamefy/GTV. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:10 TheYango wrote: Chinese casts have all been in-game so far. If you don't have DotA 2, the casts are also on the respective Youku pages of 2009/Gamefy/GTV. You can download the spectator client even if you don't have Dota 2, if you prefer that way. | ||
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gat
United States23 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:48 luc14n0 wrote: Luminous has pretty good knowledge compared to Ayesee and Tobi. He has been casting for 2 years now, and i think as English caster Solo, he's on the top list. Tobiwan is a bandwagon shoutcaster that saw Dota 2 as an opportunity to be the 1st and be the most famous. I agree. I enjoy Lumi & LD's commentary a lot more than the rest of the English commentators. Lumi gives insightful details on why picks are made and what to expect during all phases of the game. Tobi more or less just talks about what's happening on screen but he does bring a lot of energy into it despite of going over the top many times. Ayasee's streams are just bad. It's like he doesn't even understand the basics of dota. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Luminous and to a certain extend LD have more knowledge then Tobi and work excellent together. Ayesee is the same as Tobi, he needs someone to cast with him(Draskyll is good for this and they work wonderfully together) Also you can't hate on Ayesee, he comes across as the nicest guy in the world with the nicest voice that being said can't beat V1lat screaming when CIS teams play imo. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:07 TheYango wrote: His cast of CLG vs DK was hilarious. REALLY harsh (but nonetheless valid) criticism of Pajkatt and Misery's play, and how Western teams are all talk and still come get stomped at every LAN event. The sad part is that everything 2009 said was true. Western teams like to talk big, but come down to the nitty gritty they get utterly stomped about 99.9% of the time when the encounter an elite tier Chinese team. | ||
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Empyrean
17045 Posts
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
On August 31 2012 09:39 Empyrean wrote: His understanding isn't even entirely correct. The only thing the numbers have to do is farm priority. There's nothing that says a 3 position HAS to be the offlane solo, although it usually is. Also, let's say you're playing Enigma as the 4 and you're 500 gold away from blink dagger. You'd probably turn into the team's 2 for a while just because the team would prioritize your getting a blink dagger instead of the former 2 farming some more. Everyone would just shift down one position until you farm the blink, then you go back down to the 4. Umm, for some reason I read your post and it seems to be agreeing with everything I wrote, 3 position is usually offlane solo, and blink dagger 4th position is usually given farm when close.... did you read what I wrote or did you just read the first words? | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:21 Kipsate wrote: I like Tobi, but he needs a co-caster to make it work(a very much knowledgable one), I believe that Slesh is oke and when he has Puppey, Synderen or 1437 or someone with him that it is great. Luminous and to a certain extend LD have more knowledge then Tobi and work excellent together. Ayesee is the same as Tobi, he needs someone to cast with him(Draskyll is good for this and they work wonderfully together) Also you can't hate on Ayesee, he comes across as the nicest guy in the world with the nicest voice that being said can't beat V1lat screaming when CIS teams play imo. DAVAI DAVAI! It's like the Korean effect. You don't understand what they're actually saying so it sounds even more awesome. | ||
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OopsOopsBaby
Singapore3425 Posts
On August 31 2012 10:26 kdgns wrote: Umm, for some reason I read your post and it seems to be agreeing with everything I wrote, 3 position is usually offlane solo, and blink dagger 4th position is usually given farm when close.... did you read what I wrote or did you just read the first words? farm priority has nothing to do with roles. | ||
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