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Brazil1429 Posts
On August 27 2012 15:40 Sqisgar wrote:Kudos to the creators of that info. I think its interesting that Naga Siren was banned 47 times, picked thrice, and won 2 of those games. And sorry for this stupid question but what was the games total today? Venomancer 34 picks and 21 wins. He's my favorite hero so I love watching pros play him.
48 matches today, plus the three played by mouz vs WE. Some matches aren't yet on the page because the site hasn't updated yet. It is being hammered down, haha.
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Veno and Rubick with sick win rates.
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Oh wow, thank you very much for this.
Bookmarked. Very, very, very useful info. :D
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Kunkka with %100 win rate  Better than Lycan.
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Yeah, Dark Seer/ Lycan / Naga / Rubick / Morphling should be banned every game.
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On August 27 2012 14:27 Jisall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 14:08 Empyrean wrote:
Anyone else annoyed with how much Tobiwan loves Navi? Na'vi is the best team out there. Tobi is a wise man.
lol
User was warned for this post
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On August 27 2012 15:03 Azarkon wrote:
They are completely capable of playing a hell of a lot better than they did today.
Everyone is able to see that this is not the Na'Vi that we're used to playing today. The Na'Vi we're used to doesn't make the sorts of amateur mistakes this team called Na'Vi has been making all day long.
This is not just me hyping up Na'Vi. People who have followed Na'Vi before know this.
The question is whether Na'Vi is able to achieve that form again and within the span of a week.
Because 3-29 vs. iG sure as heck isn't the best they're able to do. Shit, they did better than that in Dota 1 with 1-2 months of practice.
They are having issues but Na'vi clearly is just way below iG on an individual skill level. You don't get 3-29'd unless you're just completely outclassed or are seriously jacking around (which I highly doubt they were). Dendi for instance got completely crapped on mid by Ferrari in one of the games.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Na'vi is the best team from the EU/NA scene, but they are not by far the best team. They were completely overrated, and many teams from the EU/NA scene are very close in terms of overall level of play. coL proved this that despite being on a lower level of individual skill, they are much better at overall strategy and teamwork coming into the International.
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Really informative stats, thanks for the hard work! The win rate shows some surprising stuff, I didn't think NP and Invoker would be that low. One thing I would suggest for the player stats however is showing top killers/most deaths/most assists in terms of time rather than games (i.e. kills/min or maybe hr instead of kills/game) as the latter could sometimes be skewed in favor of players getting stuck in longer games.
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Toby did speak of puppey being sick, may have had some effect on the games. I wouldn't count out Na'vi despite their poor performances. Besides, Na'vi's last slump taught me to never count out Na'vi
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What game was dazzle banned?
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if you write win % you should give the value in percent! 1/1 is 100% and not 1%
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On August 27 2012 16:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
What game was dazzle banned?
I think he was banned vs Orange or DK
I want to say vs DK when they had naga siren. Supposedly weave continues working through song and the armor difference would be massive. Also grave would have kept all their initiators alive long enough to ult.
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Hey I got two questions
Is it possible to easily access replays you have already downloaded, and is it possible to run dota w/o an internet connection? (To watch replays of course!)
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
On August 27 2012 16:24 PrinceXizor wrote:
What game was dazzle banned?
It was a Zenith game (of course, who else?), probably against DK.
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Lalalaland34501 Posts
On August 27 2012 16:36 Bswhunter wrote:
Hey I got two questions
Is it possible to easily access replays you have already downloaded, and is it possible to run dota w/o an internet connection? (To watch replays of course!)
Yes to the first, I believe so to the second.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Na'vi is dissapointing but Zenith is the one I am suprised with, they lost to EG which was quite suprising(perhaps the LAN curse is real like people said) but they put up a good fight against LGD and DK so its not all that bad, look forward to see them doing well.
CLG is 6-0, this is great BUT they have only played weak teams for now, the real test is yet to come.
I am very happy to see Orange doing decently/well too, 4-2 is quite decent.
LGD and iG are rolling pretty much though, nice.
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On August 27 2012 16:40 Kipsate wrote:
Na'vi is dissapointing but Zenith is the one I am suprised with, they lost to EG which was quite suprising(perhaps the LAN curse is real like people said) but they put up a good fight against LGD and DK so its not all that bad, look forward to see them doing well.
CLG is 6-0, this is great BUT they have only played weak teams for now, the real test is yet to come.
I am very happy to see Orange doing decently/well too, 4-2 is quite decent.
LGD and iG are rolling pretty much though, nice.
*sees location*
hmmm seems kipsate has another motive for seeing orange succeed.
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United States47024 Posts
On August 27 2012 16:40 Kipsate wrote:
Na'vi is dissapointing but Zenith is the one I am suprised with, they lost to EG which was quite suprising(perhaps the LAN curse is real like people said) but they put up a good fight against LGD and DK so its not all that bad, look forward to see them doing well.
CLG is 6-0, this is great BUT they have only played weak teams for now, the real test is yet to come.
I am very happy to see Orange doing decently/well too, 4-2 is quite decent.
LGD and iG are rolling pretty much though, nice.
After re-watching game 1 of LGD vs Zenith, I'm honestly not sure Zenith has what it takes to go all the way. The game was honestly within their control, but they made some amateur level mistakes and threw it:
1) The push to high ground bot lane. There were two problems here. First is that CK and Storm did not have BKB for this fight, but they BOTH had BKB for the Rosh fight that happened almost immediately after they respawned. They could have waited all of 30 seconds for the two BKBs, and broken the bot raxes with almost no effort in that fight. What's more is that they chose to INITIATE the fight, when with CK ultimate and Syllabear's bear, there is no onus on them to initiate the fight at all--they could simply safely put damage on them and force LGD to be the initiators.
2) Even though they essentially threw away the timing window to high ground with their double BKBs, LGD's greedy Rosh resulting in a 3-for-0 trade actually gave them another opportunity. But instead, they dawdled and didn't get anything out of it--and worse, icex3 got caught, which resulted in THEM losing a high ground tower.
3) After this point, Zenith simply repeatedly chose to initiate and commit to fights that they should have known they could not win. Their team comp had significantly weaker up front fighting power, and they no longer had any sizable advantage. Forcing fights on open ground was simply going to be a losing proposition every time. But Icex3 and hyhy would repeatedly initiate bad fights that resulted in 5-for-1 or 5-for-2 trades.
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On August 27 2012 16:40 Kipsate wrote:
Na'vi is dissapointing but Zenith is the one I am suprised with, they lost to EG which was quite suprising(perhaps the LAN curse is real like people said) but they put up a good fight against LGD and DK so its not all that bad, look forward to see them doing well.
CLG is 6-0, this is great BUT they have only played weak teams for now, the real test is yet to come.
I am very happy to see Orange doing decently/well too, 4-2 is quite decent.
LGD and iG are rolling pretty much though, nice.
I feel the same. iG in particular show some insane plays and ceiling. I think Zenith did a good job letting naga through against DK. Burning looked uncomfortable playing Naga and had some questionable ults even with most of them being used purely for escaping.
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