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that game is more of an issue of linkins skadi being absolutely worthless on morph than anything else
morph is strong lategame as a carry because
1) replicate adds a tremendous amount of late game power (or wastes a hex) and
2) u have a strong midgame presence that suppresses the other team's carry
3) and u still outdps any other carry if u go for useful items like bfly and lifesteal
basically even tho he has no obvious lategame multipliers aside from more agi (which is obviously weaker in heads on fighting than a lycan), the fact that u end can end up with an extreme ratio of ehp and hp from ~40 armor make lifesteal work in such a ridiculous way that u will out rightclick essentially anything with bfly santanic.
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On August 27 2012 10:32 garlicface wrote:
9 1/2 hours of Dota 2. How the hell do pro players practice for this many hours...
it's a lot less taxing than sc2, there's a lot of down time in dota games, mainly during picking and deaths.
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On August 27 2012 10:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
that game is more of an issue of linkins skadi being absolutely worthless on morph than anything else
morph is strong lategame as a carry because
1) replicate adds a tremendous amount of late game power (or wastes a hex) and
2) u have a strong midgame presence that suppresses the other team's carry
3) and u still outdps any other carry if u go for useful items like bfly and lifesteal
basically even tho he has no obvious lategame multipliers aside from more agi (which is obviously weaker in heads on fighting than a lycan), the fact that u end can end up with an extreme ratio of ehp and hp from ~40 armor make lifesteal work in such a ridiculous way that u will out rightclick essentially anything with bfly santanic.
His late game power still isn't as strong as true late game hard carries. As you stated, his strong midgame presence is the single reason why he is picked. The hero is fucking unkillable unless you just invest tons of resources into doing so, so his farm is almost always going to be there going into late game. On even terms, quite a few other heroes murder Morph in a straight up 1v1 fight.
Spectre for example late game presence isn't in her 1v1 ability; it's the fact that the hero is so fucking unkillable that she does so much damage in AoE that she wins fights for her team that way. Morph wins games in similar fashion to Weaver in that he suppresses the other team through farm, map control, and survivability. His RAW late game power is still nowhere near as strong as many heroes.
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why are people using the fact that a mid game lycan beat a late game lycan to claim that lycan > morph late game?
Its pretty common knowledge that lycan gets useless late game, just like brood. as the guy above says, the life steal you get with your high dmg and almost 300 agility while mainting high hp (from skadi/satanic) youre not going to be dying unless youre disabled
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On August 27 2012 10:43 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
that game is more of an issue of linkins skadi being absolutely worthless on morph than anything else
morph is strong lategame as a carry because
1) replicate adds a tremendous amount of late game power (or wastes a hex) and
2) u have a strong midgame presence that suppresses the other team's carry
3) and u still outdps any other carry if u go for useful items like bfly and lifesteal
basically even tho he has no obvious lategame multipliers aside from more agi (which is obviously weaker in heads on fighting than a lycan), the fact that u end can end up with an extreme ratio of ehp and hp from ~40 armor make lifesteal work in such a ridiculous way that u will out rightclick essentially anything with bfly santanic. His late game power still isn't as strong as true late game hard carries. As you stated, his strong midgame presence is the single reason why he is picked. The hero is fucking unkillable unless you just invest tons of resources into doing so, so his farm is almost always going to be there going into late game. On even terms, quite a few other heroes murder Morph in a straight up 1v1 fight. Spectre for example late game presence isn't in her 1v1 ability; it's the fact that the hero is so fucking unkillable that she does so much damage in AoE that she wins fights for her team that way. Morph wins games in similar fashion to Weaver in that he suppresses the other team through farm, map control, and survivability. His RAW late game power is still nowhere near as strong as many heroes.
neither lycan nor am actually does
the reason he's picked is that he's bullshit at all points in the game
On May 02 2012 04:49 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:45 TheYango wrote:On May 02 2012 01:13 TheWarbler wrote:
If poeple are going Eblade in comp games it has to do with the oppoents teams and their immense amount of farm. If a Morph is trying to outcarry a AM he is not going Eblade. Pretty much this. EBlade is an item that has wildly varying effectiveness depending on the game. Obviously blindly going EBlade is going to suck. But there are very few item decisions that you should be making blindly in this game anyway. EBlade is an item that can be insanely good if you pick the right times to get it, and can be a big waste of money if you get it at the wrong time. EBlade is insanely good on morph, its a reasonable first pickup against antimage-based lineups a lot of the times Eblade will come out at a point where antimage won't have more than just bfury or vanguard/vlads, allowing you to force fights earlier against a far weaker antimage than most linkins based builds, which require linkins + another item before you can afford to be aggressive. At this point Eblade actually makes it viable to attempt to use magic to burst down AM, as well as prey on the weaker supports generally associated with AM 4-1 Basically, poor super-lategame scaling, aka what used the only drawback Eblade morph is now a non-issue since you can disassemble it now for Bfly, which is a lategame core on morph to begin with. I guess the only other time where I can't see it being a valid option is if the other team has stuff like lion/lina that can be dangerous for you, but even then there'd need to be a pair of those heroes to be a significant threat since u can instagib one
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I don't remember if the AM era was more broing than this morphling era during last TI.
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On August 27 2012 10:43 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
that game is more of an issue of linkins skadi being absolutely worthless on morph than anything else
morph is strong lategame as a carry because
1) replicate adds a tremendous amount of late game power (or wastes a hex) and
2) u have a strong midgame presence that suppresses the other team's carry
3) and u still outdps any other carry if u go for useful items like bfly and lifesteal
basically even tho he has no obvious lategame multipliers aside from more agi (which is obviously weaker in heads on fighting than a lycan), the fact that u end can end up with an extreme ratio of ehp and hp from ~40 armor make lifesteal work in such a ridiculous way that u will out rightclick essentially anything with bfly santanic. His late game power still isn't as strong as true late game hard carries. As you stated, his strong midgame presence is the single reason why he is picked. The hero is fucking unkillable unless you just invest tons of resources into doing so, so his farm is almost always going to be there going into late game. On even terms, quite a few other heroes murder Morph in a straight up 1v1 fight. Spectre for example late game presence isn't in her 1v1 ability; it's the fact that the hero is so fucking unkillable that she does so much damage in AoE that she wins fights for her team that way. Morph wins games in similar fashion to Weaver in that he suppresses the other team through farm, map control, and survivability. His RAW late game power is still nowhere near as strong as many heroes.
no ones claiming that he can beat the super late game carries like spec void PL, just that he beats lycan
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On August 27 2012 10:45 MrCon wrote:
I don't remember if the AM era was more broing than this morphling era during last TI.
it's not even close. How is AM era exciting, that's just frustrating to watch
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goddamn why cast the same game!!!
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On August 27 2012 10:45 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:43 superstartran wrote:On August 27 2012 10:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
that game is more of an issue of linkins skadi being absolutely worthless on morph than anything else
morph is strong lategame as a carry because
1) replicate adds a tremendous amount of late game power (or wastes a hex) and
2) u have a strong midgame presence that suppresses the other team's carry
3) and u still outdps any other carry if u go for useful items like bfly and lifesteal
basically even tho he has no obvious lategame multipliers aside from more agi (which is obviously weaker in heads on fighting than a lycan), the fact that u end can end up with an extreme ratio of ehp and hp from ~40 armor make lifesteal work in such a ridiculous way that u will out rightclick essentially anything with bfly santanic. His late game power still isn't as strong as true late game hard carries. As you stated, his strong midgame presence is the single reason why he is picked. The hero is fucking unkillable unless you just invest tons of resources into doing so, so his farm is almost always going to be there going into late game. On even terms, quite a few other heroes murder Morph in a straight up 1v1 fight. Spectre for example late game presence isn't in her 1v1 ability; it's the fact that the hero is so fucking unkillable that she does so much damage in AoE that she wins fights for her team that way. Morph wins games in similar fashion to Weaver in that he suppresses the other team through farm, map control, and survivability. His RAW late game power is still nowhere near as strong as many heroes. neither lycan nor am actually does
Only ultra late game (which should never occur in a Lycan vs Morph match-up) does Morph beat out a Lycan. In normal games were people don't reach Skadi/Satanic/Bfly/BKB/etc. Lycan actually does out DPS Morph for a large portion of the time, especially if he has teammates to lock people down.
Burning went Skadi/Linkens for survivability; could have picked better items though for sure.
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On August 27 2012 10:46 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 10:43 superstartran wrote:On August 27 2012 10:41 Kupon3ss wrote:
that game is more of an issue of linkins skadi being absolutely worthless on morph than anything else
morph is strong lategame as a carry because
1) replicate adds a tremendous amount of late game power (or wastes a hex) and
2) u have a strong midgame presence that suppresses the other team's carry
3) and u still outdps any other carry if u go for useful items like bfly and lifesteal
basically even tho he has no obvious lategame multipliers aside from more agi (which is obviously weaker in heads on fighting than a lycan), the fact that u end can end up with an extreme ratio of ehp and hp from ~40 armor make lifesteal work in such a ridiculous way that u will out rightclick essentially anything with bfly santanic. His late game power still isn't as strong as true late game hard carries. As you stated, his strong midgame presence is the single reason why he is picked. The hero is fucking unkillable unless you just invest tons of resources into doing so, so his farm is almost always going to be there going into late game. On even terms, quite a few other heroes murder Morph in a straight up 1v1 fight. Spectre for example late game presence isn't in her 1v1 ability; it's the fact that the hero is so fucking unkillable that she does so much damage in AoE that she wins fights for her team that way. Morph wins games in similar fashion to Weaver in that he suppresses the other team through farm, map control, and survivability. His RAW late game power is still nowhere near as strong as many heroes. no ones claiming that he can beat the super late game carries like spec void PL, just that he beats lycan
he beats spec too, spec is actually pretty awful lategame in terms of carry vs carry, its the mobility and aoe dmg during teamfight that u pick him for
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M5 instantly copying Chinese strats, haha.
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God damn no one's casting the LGD/DK or Zenith/EG match but mouz/m5 one instead? What is wrong with this world.
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On August 27 2012 10:52 Itsmedudeman wrote:
God damn no one's casting the LGD/DK or Zenith/EG match but mouz/m5 one instead? What is wrong with this world.
shreever has it covered 
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This WINDRUNNER....
M5 so boss
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Haha... Invoker getting shakled by tree on the river.
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