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On April 15 2013 03:07 cecek wrote:Game 1 all is good, aL wins. Game 2, EG is losing hard, at 17 minutes they were 5k gold/2.5k xp behind to a PL and Prophet, PL already had tranqs, drums and diffusal + almost 1k gold banked. At that point, Mealk drops, EG pause that he needs to reconnect, after that Bdiz also DCs. The remaining EG players say Bdiz and Mealk are getting DDOS'd. Around 20 minutes pass and EG are informed by the Chinese admins that they have 5 minutes or it's going to be a def win for aL. A minute before the time is up, both Bdiz and Mealk show up. Bdiz can't reconnect to the game tho, but EG claim his connection is fine now and they just need a reload. Admins then say that they will go for a reload, and if it doesn't work, EG get a def loss. Before leaving the game, Demon says in allchat that they don't agree with that. So they try to reload, it doesn't work. Then they try to change the server if it will work and load from the 16th minute, instead of the 17th. It initially does, but now aL are dropping all 5 players every 30 seconds or so. Demon suggest remaking the whole game. Admins say the game is postponed for now, will mkae their decision tomorrow. LD and Pyrion Flax entertain viewers with knock-knock jokes and Aysee tells stories and answers chat questions. The game was paused for 90 minutes total.
If I recall correctly I believe it was about 45 minutes...maybe closer to an hour that the game was actually paused
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Yea, it was WAY longer, than 20 mins.
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On April 15 2013 08:14 Lokj wrote:
Apparently DDoSing isn't an uncommon thing in Dota and it should be handled accordingly. Since this is the teamliquid.net site if Liquid was in the same situation you guys would have cried havok and let slip the dogs of war. So please be gentle towards the G-League and their decisions towards this matter.
lets just say the chances of a DDoS'er suddenly stopping 1min before disqualification when we were waiting for 40mins+ is very low. Let alone on two players simultaneously. I guess it can happen so i'll give them the benefit of the doubt but even if it did happen the chances of EG coming back is probably less than 5% with the line-up/advantage AL had.
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G-1 Ruling on the EG vs AL Bo3
During the second game yesterday between EG and AL, EG's players dropped at the 17th minute and could not reconnect.
Since we were unable to load the game with steam, due to AL's significant Gold and Experience advantage and the fact that it was EG's members who dropped, we've finally decided to rule a 0:2 def-loss to AL
Original Statement from 17173
+ Show Spoiler +昨天EG和AL的比赛第二盘 EG队员在17min掉线后不能连入游戏 由于Steam的技术问题不能成功读档 鉴于AL经济和经验有明显优势和EG队员掉线的事实 最后判EG 0比2 输给AL
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A decision had to be made, though I'm sad it's this one. EG still had a fighting chance in game 2, replay a Bo5 with AL up 2-0, something, replay game 2 and make EG concede a tower, I have no idea, but walkovers always feel horrible.
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On April 15 2013 13:15 Kupon3ss wrote:G-1 Ruling on the EG vs AL Bo3 During the second game yesterday between EG and AL, EG's players dropped at the 17th minute and could not reconnect. Since we were unable to load the game with steam, due to AL's significant Gold and Experience advantage and the fact that it was EG's members who dropped, we've finally decided to rule a 0:2 def-loss to AL Original Statement from 17173 + Show Spoiler +昨天EG和AL的比赛第二盘 EG队员在17min掉线后不能连入游戏 由于Steam的技术问题不能成功读档 鉴于AL经济和经验有明显优势和EG队员掉线的事实 最后判EG 0比2 输给AL
Even if it was the right decision, it still sucks for EG. I'm sure they are frustrated by this.
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yap. frustrating, but right decision.
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Can someone link to me the VODs when they came up so I can see the whole situation?
But based on what I've read from here, I think it was the right decision. Something similar happened between Fnatic and NTH in the DH:Invitational when Bulldog had internet issues, but then they were able to reload the game (I think that a stand-in was playing on Bulldog's account afterwards tho). Even if it was one minute earlier then they hopped for, + Show Spoiler +NTH showed sportsmanship and let Fnatic get a free Roshan, that would've happened anyway
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On April 15 2013 13:15 Kupon3ss wrote:G-1 Ruling on the EG vs AL Bo3 During the second game yesterday between EG and AL, EG's players dropped at the 17th minute and could not reconnect. Since we were unable to load the game with steam, due to AL's significant Gold and Experience advantage and the fact that it was EG's members who dropped, we've finally decided to rule a 0:2 def-loss to AL Original Statement from 17173 + Show Spoiler +昨天EG和AL的比赛第二盘 EG队员在17min掉线后不能连入游戏 由于Steam的技术问题不能成功读档 鉴于AL经济和经验有明显优势和EG队员掉线的事实 最后判EG 0比2 输给AL
Good. Anything else wouldnt have been fair to VP and aL.
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What was AL's gold and xp lead?
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On April 15 2013 14:05 Kishin2 wrote:
What was AL's gold and xp lead?
5k gold and 3k exp lead at 17 mins with freefarm PL (drums, diffu).
Fair decision on G1's side.
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
5k gold and 2,5k exp iirc. For PL and Prophet which is pretty huge.
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Totally wrong decision IMO. Should have started game 2 over. That game was completely in reach for EG and the problem wasn't their fault. If an aL player couldn't reconnect would it be the same outcome? Should teams with the lead just pull their internet for a free win? If not, are we going to allow a DDOS to just decide games?
G-1 should have done everything in their power to postpone the series.
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On April 15 2013 14:05 Kishin2 wrote:
What was AL's gold and xp lead?
5k gold, 3k or so exp lead for aL I believe. PL had Diffusal Blade already with extra 1k gold. EG had no real way to deal with him. The decision is right even though Demon wanted a remake which isn't right at all. EG was too far behind to deal with PL. The only way aL would have lost is for them to just throw the game completely.
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On April 15 2013 14:16 G0KartMozart wrote:
Totally wrong decision IMO. Should have started game 2 over. That game was completely in reach for EG and the problem wasn't their fault. If an aL player couldn't reconnect would it be the same outcome? Should teams with the lead just pull their internet for a free win? If not, are we going to allow a DDOS to just decide games?
G-1 should have done everything in their power to postpone the series.
Except that it has nothing to do with aL players being unable to reconnect, and if aL was the one who d/ced, then the entire outcome would be different. DDOS didn't decide this game, it was EG's failure to communicate quickly enough whether they wished to continue 4v5 or gamble with the reload. Once they started trying the reload, the situation was already out of EG's hands. How can you even blame the admin when they're the ones who waited for over an hour for Maelk to return, and spend another 40 minutes or so on attempting multiple reloads? They gave EG the best shot at coming back already.
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On April 15 2013 14:16 G0KartMozart wrote:
Totally wrong decision IMO. Should have started game 2 over. That game was completely in reach for EG and the problem wasn't their fault. If an aL player couldn't reconnect would it be the same outcome? Should teams with the lead just pull their internet for a free win? If not, are we going to allow a DDOS to just decide games?
G-1 should have done everything in their power to postpone the series.
Do you understand they have a tight schedule to play?
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On April 15 2013 14:16 G0KartMozart wrote:
Should teams with the lead just pull their internet for a free win? If not, are we going to allow a DDOS to just decide games?
G-1 should have done everything in their power to postpone the series.
Ahmm.. It was the other way around loser pulls internet and tries to force regame. If thats what you were alluding. G-1 gave EG enough options yesterday and making 50'000 people wait for over an hour was more than generous.
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On April 15 2013 14:16 G0KartMozart wrote:
Totally wrong decision IMO. Should have started game 2 over. That game was completely in reach for EG and the problem wasn't their fault. If an aL player couldn't reconnect would it be the same outcome? Should teams with the lead just pull their internet for a free win? If not, are we going to allow a DDOS to just decide games?
G-1 should have done everything in their power to postpone the series.
They waited the better part of an hour, then attempted to reload, which failed. They then attempted to contact valve and other steam solutions without success. This issue has always been debated to death, but 2 situations have always been thought of to be avoided because they are abusable.
1) if your team is up and you disconnect, you should (almost) never be awarded a defwin
2) if your team is down and you disconnect, you should (almost) never be awarded a remake
since if either of those become precedents it becomes extremely easy to abuse, there has to be a penalty in the decision to the side that disconnected
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
You do really believe in players being DDoS'd? ... lol
Fair deicision IMO, aL had the advantage and it was pretty significant, EG tried to remake the game, didn't work.
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EPT
