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renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:28:16
April 25 2013 13:28 GMT
#2781
So, coinflip will decide who's gonna exit G1 today. Why bother with the game itself, it will be a stomp anyways.
What can change the nature of a man?
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 25 2013 13:28 GMT
#2782
On April 25 2013 22:24 Manit0u wrote:
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On April 25 2013 22:21 SKC wrote:
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Dignitas TI3 champions. If they play so poorly every EU game and do pretty good at USE, they must be amazing at LAN.


Meh, Slickz, one of the best HoN players used to play with 350+ ping every single game for years. Never complained, always performed great, even when he had to play on EU servers (and he was from Australia). To quote MTW.Aether's words from WC3: "If you have 300 ping you just have to do everything 0.3 seconds earlier. EZPZ".


It was just a joke, but in reality it's more about getting used to it. When AL had the australian team, they had some decent games even playing at terrible pings. It's definatelly better to play with no latency, but if you are used to it, it can definatelly be bearable. It can be pretty annoying if you are not used to it though, not sure how often NA teams practice on EU.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 25 2013 13:30 GMT
#2783
Hoping Mouz to take G3.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:30:50
April 25 2013 13:30 GMT
#2784
I said earlier, its mental block in Dignitas case, Liquid stomped today on EU. Dignitas not even trying to play, when gets on EU.
What can change the nature of a man?
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:32:11
April 25 2013 13:30 GMT
#2785
On April 25 2013 22:24 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:21 SKC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Dignitas TI3 champions. If they play so poorly every EU game and do pretty good at USE, they must be amazing at LAN.


Meh, Slickz, one of the best HoN players used to play with 350+ ping every single game for years. Never complained, always performed great, even when he had to play on EU servers (and he was from Australia). To quote mTw.Aether's words from WC3: "If you have 300 ping you just have to do everything 0.3 seconds earlier. EZPZ".
People can say whatever they want, ultimately, if ping doesn't matter then either the level of competition is extremely low or the scene has large skill gaps between the teams. AL did well from Australia when there weren't many good teams.
Once you Goblak...
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17615 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:34:20
April 25 2013 13:31 GMT
#2786
On April 25 2013 22:28 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:24 Manit0u wrote:
On April 25 2013 22:21 SKC wrote:
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[image loading]


Dignitas TI3 champions. If they play so poorly every EU game and do pretty good at USE, they must be amazing at LAN.


Meh, Slickz, one of the best HoN players used to play with 350+ ping every single game for years. Never complained, always performed great, even when he had to play on EU servers (and he was from Australia). To quote MTW.Aether's words from WC3: "If you have 300 ping you just have to do everything 0.3 seconds earlier. EZPZ".


It was just a joke, but in reality it's more about getting used to it. When AL had the australian team, they had some decent games even playing at terrible pings. It's definatelly better to play with no latency, but if you are used to it, it can definatelly be bearable. It can be pretty annoying if you are not used to it though, not sure how often NA teams practice on EU.


Well, if you want to take part in any online tournaments with international range you bloody well should practice for the eventuality of having high pings and learning how to deal with it or get accustomed to it. Seems to me like a part of being a progamer. A big part of success is being consistent, regardless of various outside factors.

On April 25 2013 22:30 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:24 Manit0u wrote:
On April 25 2013 22:21 SKC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Dignitas TI3 champions. If they play so poorly every EU game and do pretty good at USE, they must be amazing at LAN.


Meh, Slickz, one of the best HoN players used to play with 350+ ping every single game for years. Never complained, always performed great, even when he had to play on EU servers (and he was from Australia). To quote mTw.Aether's words from WC3: "If you have 300 ping you just have to do everything 0.3 seconds earlier. EZPZ".
People can say whatever they want, ultimately, if ping doesn't matter then either the level of competition is extremely low or the scene has large skill gaps between the teams.


Well, there were teams that constantly complained about ping, server choices etc. Slickz never gave a damn.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
April 25 2013 13:34 GMT
#2787
On April 25 2013 22:31 Manit0u wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:28 SKC wrote:
On April 25 2013 22:24 Manit0u wrote:
On April 25 2013 22:21 SKC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Dignitas TI3 champions. If they play so poorly every EU game and do pretty good at USE, they must be amazing at LAN.


Meh, Slickz, one of the best HoN players used to play with 350+ ping every single game for years. Never complained, always performed great, even when he had to play on EU servers (and he was from Australia). To quote MTW.Aether's words from WC3: "If you have 300 ping you just have to do everything 0.3 seconds earlier. EZPZ".


It was just a joke, but in reality it's more about getting used to it. When AL had the australian team, they had some decent games even playing at terrible pings. It's definatelly better to play with no latency, but if you are used to it, it can definatelly be bearable. It can be pretty annoying if you are not used to it though, not sure how often NA teams practice on EU.


Well, if you want to take part in any online tournaments with international range you bloody well should practice for the eventuality of having high pings and learning how to deal with it or get accustomed to it. Seems to me like a part of being a progamer. A big part of success is being consistent, regardless of various factors.

Show nested quote +
On April 25 2013 22:30 teapoted wrote:
On April 25 2013 22:24 Manit0u wrote:
On April 25 2013 22:21 SKC wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Dignitas TI3 champions. If they play so poorly every EU game and do pretty good at USE, they must be amazing at LAN.


Meh, Slickz, one of the best HoN players used to play with 350+ ping every single game for years. Never complained, always performed great, even when he had to play on EU servers (and he was from Australia). To quote mTw.Aether's words from WC3: "If you have 300 ping you just have to do everything 0.3 seconds earlier. EZPZ".
People can say whatever they want, ultimately, if ping doesn't matter then either the level of competition is extremely low or the scene has large skill gaps between the teams.


Well, there were teams that constantly complained about ping, server choices etc. Slickz never gave a damn.
Okay? Where are all these complaints from all Dota players about ping? The amount of people in this scene that complains is pretty low.
Once you Goblak...
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
April 25 2013 13:34 GMT
#2788
yeah i dont think the ping difference is that bad for dota from an objective point of view. its more that players get annoyed and all their timings are off when they play on a server that is not "their home server".
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
April 25 2013 13:38 GMT
#2789
There are no complaints because there is no solution.

If they complain it just gets worse for them because the viewers will lose interest.
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
April 25 2013 13:39 GMT
#2790
So, i guess Dignitas won coinflip.
What can change the nature of a man?
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:40:04
April 25 2013 13:39 GMT
#2791
On April 25 2013 22:38 werynais wrote:
There are no complaints because there is no solution.

If they complain it just gets worse for them because the viewers will lose interest.
I was commenting to him putting some random HoN player on a pedestal because he didn't whine about ping when in reality most people with bad ping aren't constantly whining about it.
Once you Goblak...
TheStonerer
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada278 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:40:49
April 25 2013 13:40 GMT
#2792
The problem with ping is that pro players are used to a certain ping and when they get in a tournament with a different server they're used to they don't do as well.

Someone that always has 300 ping will be used to it and won't complain about it. The problem is that tournaments have wildly inconsistent server rules and of course nobody will want to play on the server they have the most lag on.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 25 2013 13:40 GMT
#2793
Go Black PL!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
April 25 2013 13:43 GMT
#2794
On April 25 2013 22:34 hfglgg wrote:
yeah i dont think the ping difference is that bad for dota from an objective point of view. its more that players get annoyed and all their timings are off when they play on a server that is not "their home server".


Ping is a real physical factor but like anything else it's the player responsibility to manage and mitigate it.
Playing 300ms when you are used to 100ms can be very jarring but if the tournament conditions are like that it's the players responsibility to be ready for it, and not just complain. People used to colder weather will not play the best when it's hot and vice/versa. People not used to being watched/in LAN conditions suffer for it.

There is no technical solution to online tournaments being affected by ping differentials. Either get used to it or don't play those tournaments (or propose a solutions which allows us to transport data faster than the speed of light).
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 25 2013 13:43 GMT
#2795
On April 25 2013 22:38 werynais wrote:
There are no complaints because there is no solution.

If they complain it just gets worse for them because the viewers will lose interest.

Ultimately its this, they have to deal with it and whining about it isn't going to solve anything.
WriterXiao8~~
BuLba
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-25 13:44:28
April 25 2013 13:44 GMT
#2796
i seriously think the major factor is mindset for at least the western eu teams and the eastern american players. the problem lies when us west players play on the opposite server or russians on the opposite server.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 25 2013 13:45 GMT
#2797
Picks

Dignitas: Seer, Rubick, Luna, UD & Gyro

Mouz: Mag, Clock, PL, Jakiro & SD

I like Mouz draft.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
luc14n0
Profile Joined August 2012
Brazil211 Posts
April 25 2013 13:48 GMT
#2798
True dat Bulba. I think it's quite dumb that USW based teams gets to play with West based EU teams on EU-W, USE is by far the most fair server on this matchup. But when is Eastern EU vs USW based team, coinflip really is the best way to go.
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
April 25 2013 13:49 GMT
#2799
i think its time for either azore servers or north pole icebear servers!
renfree
Profile Joined November 2012
4485 Posts
April 25 2013 13:49 GMT
#2800
I like that Dignitas went away from their greedy draft, when it really mattered.
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