EPTOn June 25 2013 20:37 Liquid`BuLba wrote:
i also felt that lineup was way too dignitas-like
i also felt that lineup was way too dignitas-like
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gLhF.Revere
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allen_ami
China1392 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:39 wuhan_clan wrote: Has Navi ever ran the Naga that well? They were great at countering it at TI2 when it was still in favor but I don't really recall any time period where NaVi were consistently running Naga for themselves. they ran naga+dk in ti2 final i think, and lost? | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:17 Jehct wrote: he just hasn't been dying, they have sents/smokes/obs but keep on flamin' dood, don't let reality get in the way Er, kuroky spent 0 support items <20mins in, the map was black. He bought 1 smoke+2 wards at 24mins after the team lost the map control. The fact that (as in, reality), kuroky is putting his items before the team support item, is the biggest flaw in Navi team right now. Whenever puppey is not on a supportive hero then Navi just crumble. And lets be honest puppey has been running #5 for awhile now. Their games always are incredibly hard when they are dealing with weaver/oppo supports who actually are good (eg [A]) or against team who actually didn't derp in mid game. Kuroky played some extremely cheesey (and selfish) of all the supports that i have ever seen. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:41 allen_ami wrote: they ran naga+dk in ti2 final i think, and lost? they won with it against lgd i believe. but that was back when ds could vacuum during naga song | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:30 allen_ami wrote: magnus barely has any impact on the game tbh... yeah, cause RP into Calldown+FC+Scorched Earth+Shockwave+Skewer is the most casual thing to endure. KingJ outdrafted Puppey twice with ease. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:42 BurningSera wrote: Er, kuroky spent 0 support items <20mins in, the map was black. He bought 1 smoke+2 wards at 24mins after the team lost the map control. The fact that (as in, reality), kuroky is putting his items before the team support item first, is the biggest flaw in Navi team right now. Whenever puppey is not on a supportive hero then Navi just crumble. Their games always are incredibly hard when they were dealing with weaver/oppo supports who actually are good (eg [A]) or against team who actually didn't derp in mid game. Kuroky played some extremely cheesey (and selfish) of all the supports that i have ever seen. That is a huge problem. Kuro has that habit of playing a very, VERY rich support. That throws everything on Puppey to buy wards and what not. If they do not do well in the early game for Kuro, they just always struggle after. Especially when Dendi couldn't exactly do anything with a Doom on his tail. | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
I don't think they have rested or studied Chinese teams at all. 1 day before their flight to China, they played 3 straight days of Bo3s to rush it out of the way. Then their flight to China, then a day RIGHT after that, they have to play again. (Against TongFu, a team that a lot of people are saying one of the best Chinese teams currently.) I wouldn't know what to say if NaVi actually 2-0ed TongFu. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:42 BurningSera wrote: Er, kuroky spent 0 support items <20mins in, the map was black. He bought 1 smoke+2 wards at 24mins after the team lost the map control. The fact that (as in, reality), kuroky is putting his items before the team support item first, is the biggest flaw in Navi team right now. Whenever puppey is not on a supportive hero then Navi just crumble. Their games always are incredibly hard when they were dealing with weaver/oppo supports who actually are good (eg [A]) or against team who actually didn't derp in mid game. Kuroky played some extremely cheesey (and selfish) of all the supports that i have ever seen. why's puppey chen been winning so much lately then? he was the same net worth as puppey with 3 less deaths and higher gpm when you posted - that gold didn't just disappear. Until you actually go over the replay and actually watch his spending I'ma go ahead and say you're a hater who needs to focus less on the mistakes of one player and more on those of the team. One player in a non-shotcalling position is basically never the 'biggest flaw' in a team, no matter how often random spectators on a forum like to claim it. Tending toward not buying support items isn't an uncommon thing among 4's at all, by the way. Most 4's avoid it completely for things like blinks in close/hard games - kuro's just in a weird situation where sometimes he plays the 5 (when puppey jungles), sometimes he's a 4. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:46 lphwo wrote: This may be totally premature, but I think we can say that the difference between the eastern and western meta game is no longer as big as it was during the G1 finals. I think 6.78 really let the eastern teams catch up. I don't think Na'Vi drafted very standard Western line ups. They drafted, rather, Na'Vi line ups. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:44 rabidch wrote: they won with it against lgd i believe. but that was back when ds could vacuum during naga song They won with it against iG in the finals - the one game they took. I remember because it was one of those games that made the storyline of TI 2 so delicious - the sheer mindfuck of Na'Vi winning with Siren vs. Chinese teams after showing how to counter it. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
Not saying their team fighting is awful, it feels like when they completely depend on it, it's really hit or miss for them. | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:44 rabidch wrote: they won with it against lgd i believe. but that was back when ds could vacuum during naga song It was the only game they have won against iG in finals with LGD's Naga+DK and DS combo. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:49 Azarkon wrote: I don't think Na'Vi drafted very standard Western line ups. They drafted, rather, Na'Vi line ups. while game 1 was a na'vi lineup, game 2 was pretty much a lineup pulled straight from dignitas. | ||
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:46 lphwo wrote: This may be totally premature, but I think we can say that the difference between the eastern and western meta game is no longer as big as it was during the G1 finals. I think 6.78 really let the eastern teams catch up. I think its inaccurate to say the western scene was ahead of the eastern scene solely because of Alliance's domination at G1 because they had also been dominating western teams prior to G1. Alliance has obviously been the strongest team in the world the last couple months and does not indicate that the western scene is equally strong. I do agree that any time there is a major patch such as 6.78, it does tend to even up the playing field as teams scramble to work out the new best strategies. At this moment I'd say the two scenes are mostly even with Chinese teams maybe having a slight edge though Alliance is still ahead of everyone else. | ||
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lphwo
Malaysia751 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:49 Azarkon wrote: I don't think Na'Vi drafted very standard Western line ups. They drafted, rather, Na'Vi line ups. Well I was referring to Game 1 where TF cooly tore apart Navi's lineup that had a Treant. Though to be fair to Navi fatigue probably did play a role in that loss, and you are right, Puppey drafts whatever he feels like... | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:51 Seraphic wrote: To be perfectly honest, I rather prefer NaVi play their style, which is more of a ganking, snow ball style of game. Not saying their team fighting is awful, it feels like when they completely depend on it, it's really hit or miss for them. The thing is that makes your team very inversatile, always relying on Snowball tactics is a very dangerous. That being said I would like to point out that it felt like Tongfu outdrafted Na`vi twice, first with the Weaver Ban(which they really wanted it seemed) and second with the Anti-Mage ban. | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:46 lphwo wrote: This may be totally premature, but I think we can say that the difference between the eastern and western meta game is no longer as big as it was during the G1 finals. I think 6.78 really let the eastern teams catch up. Where do people get that western meta was more advanced than eastern meta? I think that does a disservice to Alliance's drafting and execution. | ||
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