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On July 10 2013 00:44 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:43 DDie wrote:On July 10 2013 00:42 Bowzar wrote:
Why is there no winners bracket advantage? Because it's retarded. Huh it's not retarded. It's just consistent logic with the whole format. This format is inconsistent so if anything it's more "retarded" even if people view it as better.
The advantage of going through the winner's bracket is that you have to play less games (and less stressful elimination games as well).
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On July 10 2013 00:44 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:43 DDie wrote:On July 10 2013 00:42 Bowzar wrote:
Why is there no winners bracket advantage? Because it's retarded. Huh it's not retarded. It's just consistent logic with the whole format. This format is inconsistent so if anything it's more "retarded" even if people view it as better.
We already discussed it around page 428, and it makes series boring and predictable.
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On July 10 2013 00:45 allen_ami wrote:
its very funny to see nobody want the winner bracket advantage
coz back in TI2, everybody is crying for navi not getting that
More so because at TI2 a WB advantage wouldn't have even mattered because the series finished 3-1 (meaning that even with a 1 game advantage it still would have been a 3-2 win), whereas here we actually have a 5th game.
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If you can get an early Midas, its good on any hero. The early Midas was supposed to propel the PL towards his first real item with the same timing while also having the Midas. (like how Lone Druids go Midas into Radi without hurting their radi timing)
The Vlads doesn't help the PL fight and NaVi was not a pushing team. The Vlads can help the PL split push later on but he picked it up early at a point in the game where split pushing doesn't come into effect yet.
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On July 10 2013 00:45 Bowzar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:43 Grettin wrote:On July 10 2013 00:42 Bowzar wrote:
Why is there no winners bracket advantage? Why are you asking? would you want winner bracket advantage? -_- Just curious. Cant think of a lot of tournaments without a winners bracket advantage.
be glad this aint one. It's retarded
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people need to understand that "winners advantage" is not a part of the double elimination format. the idea of the double elimination format is to find the the winner of a tournament as the only team that was not eliminated twice, hence the name...
that whole winners advantage is already a stupid compromise in the first place.
just play the same tournament format every single meaningful competition on this planet is running... single elimination!
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people dont want WB advantage because it could hurt Navi -_- bias, what else is new
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On July 10 2013 00:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:45 allen_ami wrote:
its very funny to see nobody want the winner bracket advantage
coz back in TI2, everybody is crying for navi not getting that More so because at TI2 a WB advantage wouldn't have even mattered because the series finished 3-1 (meaning that even with a 1 game advantage it still would have been a 3-2 win), whereas here we actually have a 5th game. iG also beat Na'Vi during the group stage at TI2. Why doesn't that count as well?
Ultimately, winners bracket advantage makes for less exciting finals. If it's fair or not is irrelevant and can be argued all day because games in the upper bracket aren't as important as the final.people dont want WB advantage because it could hurt Navi -_- bias, what else is new If you want I can find posts where I argue against WB advantage in almost every tournament.
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On July 10 2013 00:47 wuhan_clan wrote:
If you can get an early Midas, its good on any hero. The early Midas was supposed to propel the PL towards his first real item with the same timing while also having the Midas. (like how Lone Druids go Midas into Radi without hurting their radi timing)
The Vlads doesn't help the PL fight and NaVi was not a pushing team. The Vlads can help the PL split push later on but he picked it up early at a point in the game where split pushing doesn't come into effect yet.
It's very hard to say Vlad's helps split-pushing on PL more than a Yasha does, because the Vlad's adds no stats to illusions, and PL's split-push is generally driven more by his illusions than by hero+creep wave.
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2.5k viewers on the Defense
AWC strong cannibal.
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LGD banned wisp+naix every single game? hahahaha
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Lumi, don't be a flip-flopper. T_T
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I think Vlads on Doom woulda been a way better choice (needs armor and it's a natural aura carrier).
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On July 10 2013 00:48 h0munkulus wrote:
people need to understand that "winners advantage" is not a part of the double elimination format. the idea of the double elimination format is to find the the winner of a tournament as the only team that was not eliminated twice, hence the name...
that whole winners advantage is already a stupid compromise in the first place.
just play the same tournament format every single meaningful competition on this planet is running... single elimination!
If the Lower bracket guys win the tournament then there are two teams who lost once. Your argument is invalid.
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On July 10 2013 00:44 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:43 DDie wrote:On July 10 2013 00:42 Bowzar wrote:
Why is there no winners bracket advantage? Because it's retarded. Huh it's not retarded. It's just consistent logic with the whole format. This format is inconsistent so if anything it's more "retarded" even if people view it as better.
It makes sense for starcraft where we have bo7 tournaments.
In dota2 we have a bo5 format and games average +30, the team coming from the loser bracket already had to play an additional bo5 which is exausting, and going into a bo5 one game down is not an advantage, it's a HUGE advantage.
edit: Lumi betted on Na'Vi, LGD alienware champion!
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On July 10 2013 00:47 wuhan_clan wrote:
If you can get an early Midas, its good on any hero. The early Midas was supposed to propel the PL towards his first real item with the same timing while also having the Midas. (like how Lone Druids go Midas into Radi without hurting their radi timing)
The Vlads doesn't help the PL fight and NaVi was not a pushing team. The Vlads can help the PL split push later on but he picked it up early at a point in the game where split pushing doesn't come into effect yet.
Well besides the fact that it's a horrendous item on PL, they also had a doom, why not just let him get it? I think drums are unquestionably better as well. I don't like a lot of xboct's builds though. But I'm really bad what do I know.
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On July 10 2013 00:48 h0munkulus wrote:
people need to understand that "winners advantage" is not a part of the double elimination format. the idea of the double elimination format is to find the the winner of a tournament as the only team that was not eliminated twice, hence the name...
that whole winners advantage is already a stupid compromise in the first place.
just play the same tournament format every single meaningful competition on this planet is running... single elimination!
Uh, how is LGD going to be eliminated twice when they lose this series?
They won the WB finals. Never lost a series, but lose to Na'Vi who was eliminated by LGD -> 2nd place?
WB advantage exists because it's not fair for the WB winner to have no second shot. It's not great for spectators, but it exists because it's dumb that the team that never lost a series gets only one shot at the finals while the LB winner gets two.
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On July 10 2013 00:49 Kipsate wrote:
2.5k viewers on the Defense
AWC strong cannibal.
BEcause Navi is playing :D
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On July 10 2013 00:46 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:45 allen_ami wrote:
its very funny to see nobody want the winner bracket advantage
coz back in TI2, everybody is crying for navi not getting that More so because at TI2 a WB advantage wouldn't have even mattered because the series finished 3-1 (meaning that even with a 1 game advantage it still would have been a 3-2 win), whereas here we actually have a 5th game.
Technically, if they used proper double elimination rules it wouldn't have been finished. I do understand why tournaments eliminate the "double elimination" in the finals, but to call it unfair is a stretch. It's how this kind of tournament was conceived and the idea of double elimination means having to lose twice. It's just not a good format for viewers.
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nothing but cancer copter each game. T_T
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