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On July 09 2013 23:37 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 23:29 BurningSera wrote:On July 09 2013 23:22 Acritter wrote:
Pretty sure it's the terrible draft that lost Na'Vi this game. They went for a little early push, but not enough to really matter. Their teamfight and lategame carry were similarly lacking. Meanwhile, LGD got to draft fantastic manmode hard carry, fantastic teamfight, and fantastic splitpush, and once Na'Vi failed to take rax in the early midgame (which was inevitable given how outmatched their teamfight was and how vulnerable they were to Prophet counterpush), there was really no way for them to come back. If they'd gone for extreme push with a Jugg pickup (who also provides pick-off potential) or good rotations with something like QoP, they might have done better. I wouldnt say terrible draft, SF with items is still a beast in mid/late game, navi was outplayed right after the #tacticalpauseforpee #cheatingpause, you can see that once chen failed to push that top navi has come to the vicious cycle of 'chen make new creeps->push->lost teamfight->repeat', they lost too many team fights right before and after the pause due to bad positioning/coordinating. And seriously not to on kuroky again but lesh couldn't deal the expected burst damage and funnik also feel like dealing almost no damage. The issue is that even though SF may be beast, he's nothing compared to Alch. The second he gets disabled, he goes down due to insufficient tankiness, and with the Magnus pickup on LGD, BKB couldn't be expected to alleviate that. DK is much tankier, but doesn't have enough damage to contest the Alch. The Chen part of your statement just reconfirms what I said earlier: once Na'Vi's push stalled even just a little, they were doomed. Agreed on Lesh and WR. They would have been better if XBOCT's carry had a higher damage output, but the tankiness of DK was really not what Na'Vi needed that game (maybe don't firstpick DK if you can't properly abuse him). Without that DPS, the extra disables just weren't suitable.
Sure they abused the DK. It was obviously a fast pushing tempo lineup, and the DK pick was core to that.
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ooooooooooooooooooooooooh cancer vs cancer
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A pl and a prophet pick. I really hope Navi execute this correctly.
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On July 09 2013 23:39 teddyoojo wrote:boring, some ganks on dendi early, some kills here and there, navi pushed 4 towers, got rpd at the fifth and game over pretty much
yeah, i saw the first 10minutes. Thanks!
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Let's see if xboct goes midas --> vlad again...
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Na`Vi seems to be going for a lot of split-pushing. With SD, they can have double the amount of PL illusions. ;D
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On July 09 2013 23:40 johnnyb211 wrote:
Let's see if xboct goes midas --> vlad again...
last time i saw him play PL, he went radiance into necronomicon
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FOUR-POSITION DOOM?
Yes, please! I love playing Doom support!
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kuro doom is legit iirc
sweet draft
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Navi so very very greedy, I hope they execute this well and XBOCT picks up the right items to fight when needed.
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On July 09 2013 23:39 teddyoojo wrote:
ooooooooooooooooooooooooh cancer vs cancer
Yeah, but I don't know how well it will work...
What is Na'Vi thinking, picking up PL with DK splash and Gyro Flak? If LGD get enough towers early to limit XBOCT's farm, it could be lights out.
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On July 09 2013 23:39 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 23:18 LimitSEA wrote:On July 09 2013 23:13 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 09 2013 22:46 Noya wrote:On July 09 2013 22:42 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On July 09 2013 22:39 Noya wrote:
What? Great response you got here, buddy. Let me ask again. What? Well, that's funny. Let me help you start a healthy discussion then. Let's suppose you disagree with me. Were you present when Korean BW Proscene was still alive? I can give you quotes from here expressed in manner you would not see there. This has to be one of the most one sided conversations I've ever seen. He's saying what because he doesn't know what you're talking about, not because he disagrees. Lol. >not because he disagrees >let's supposeThere is no logical contradiction. And I didn't expect this conversation to be packed at all. BW threads were more joyful and insightful, and there was no need to state someone's superioty and players were respected without looking on their results. This is the state of mind that seems to be never achieved in Dota Community.
stop being so antagonistic dammit
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On July 09 2013 23:41 Fatalize wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 23:40 johnnyb211 wrote:
Let's see if xboct goes midas --> vlad again... last time i saw him play PL, he went radiance into necronomicon
is this supposed to be a joke or have you forgotten the winner's bracket finals of this tournament?
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM REIGNS
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