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Sparvy
785 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
;D Let's gogo! | ||
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:21 kaleidoscope wrote: omg how did LGD won that game throws Honestly I felt like LGD was ahead from the start. Freefarm alch, good early ganks on dendi, no big misplays through the early/mid game. Even though Navi had the gold lead for most of the game, it was mostly in towers and when you have a split pushing prophet... | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:22 Acritter wrote: Pretty sure it's the terrible draft that lost Na'Vi this game. They went for a little early push, but not enough to really matter. Their teamfight and lategame carry were similarly lacking. Meanwhile, LGD got to draft fantastic manmode hard carry, fantastic teamfight, and fantastic splitpush, and once Na'Vi failed to take rax in the early midgame (which was inevitable given how outmatched their teamfight was and how vulnerable they were to Prophet counterpush), there was really no way for them to come back. If they'd gone for extreme push with a Jugg pickup (who also provides pick-off potential) or good rotations with something like QoP, they might have done better. I wouldnt say terrible draft, SF with items is still a beast in mid/late game, navi was outplayed right after the #tacticalpauseforpee #cheatingpause, you can see that once chen failed to push that top navi has come to the vicious cycle of 'chen make new creeps->push->lost teamfight->repeat', they lost too many team fights right before and after the pause due to bad positioning/coordinating. And seriously not to on kuroky again but lesh couldn't deal the expected burst damage and funnik also feel like dealing almost no damage. | ||
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johnnyb211
1452 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:23 kaleidoscope wrote: well seeing how xboct always get caught out randomly, navi disengages and make room for alche free farm.. navi trying to engage lgd, sacrificing 3 towers (2 top 1 btm) to furion without anything back for trades ??? first, Xboct wasn't 'getting caught out randomly', he yolo'ed once, the others were perfect RP-s from Yao that caught Dendi as well second, what is this 'sacrificing 3 towers' thing? top T1 was dead for like 15 mins when they actually did sacrifice the t2s. it was a forced error if anything, they had to push out all the lanes and watch roshan. that's not a throw but a good execution of a gameplan from LGD's side, there was no good sceanrio for na'vi. The gameplan of Na'Vi was wrong from the beginning (really, ancient WR against a freefarm Alche instead of trilaning him or drafting something that could delay his farm?), the thing that kept them in game was their individual skill. It wasn't a throw in the slightest. | ||
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koecim
35 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
the fight top where yao got a 2 man rp on xboct/funnik and the sneak rosh during a lull seemed like the defining moments for me. outside of those things na'vi were restricting map control and snowballing, they just failed securing two key objectives with a momentum-based lineup. | ||
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Sisaroth
Belgium591 Posts
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
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allen_ami
China1392 Posts
LGD.int playing for LGD.cn confirmed | ||
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bardtown
England2313 Posts
Probably worth banning the Mag. | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:32 Jehct wrote: why do people talk about all this 'what if' stuff (drafts, items etc.) instead of focusing on the key points when game tempo changed? the fight top where yao got a 2 man rp on xboct/funnik and the sneak rosh during a lull seemed like the defining moments for me. outside of those things na'vi were restricting map control and snowballing, they just failed securing two key objectives. Nah, the magic happened after the pause! On a serious note, two times Roshan sneak + the fight you are talking about were probably the key moments where LGD scored, but I also thought that SF won't be doing much this game from the moment I saw it being picked. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:34 allen_ami wrote: lol lgd second pick chen LGD.int playing for LGD.cn confirmed picking didnt start for me yet o_O | ||
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allen_ami
China1392 Posts
guess chinese stream has less delay | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:29 BurningSera wrote: I wouldnt say terrible draft, SF with items is still a beast in mid/late game, navi was outplayed right after the #tacticalpauseforpee #cheatingpause, you can see that once chen failed to push that top navi has come to the vicious cycle of 'chen make new creeps->push->lost teamfight->repeat', they lost too many team fights right before and after the pause due to bad positioning/coordinating. And seriously not to on kuroky again but lesh couldn't deal the expected burst damage and funnik also feel like dealing almost no damage. The issue is that even though SF may be beast, he's nothing compared to Alch. The second he gets disabled, he goes down due to insufficient tankiness, and with the Magnus pickup on LGD, BKB couldn't be expected to alleviate that. DK is much tankier, but doesn't have enough damage to contest the Alch. The Chen part of your statement just reconfirms what I said earlier: once Na'Vi's push stalled even just a little, they were doomed. Agreed on Lesh and WR. They would have been better if XBOCT's carry had a higher damage output, but the tankiness of DK was really not what Na'Vi needed that game (maybe don't firstpick DK if you can't properly abuse him). Without that DPS, the extra disables just weren't suitable. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:38 Grettin wrote: How was G3? boring, some ganks on dendi early, some kills here and there, navi pushed 4 towers, got rpd at the fifth and game over pretty much | ||
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ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
On July 09 2013 23:18 LimitSEA wrote: This has to be one of the most one sided conversations I've ever seen. He's saying what because he doesn't know what you're talking about, not because he disagrees. Lol. >not because he disagrees >let's suppose There is no logical contradiction. And I didn't expect this conversation to be packed at all. BW threads were more joyful and insightful, and there was no need to state someone's superioty and players were respected without looking on their results. This is the state of mind that seems to be never achieved in Dota Community. | ||
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