[D2L] VP vs. Fnatic / Mouz & Liquid vs. Alliance - Page 5

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

July 10 2013 00:51 GMT

#81

On July 10 2013 09:47 Ryrmidon wrote:
I really feel like ixmike is the weak link on teamliquid when hes not playing shadow demon

ixmike is fine on the 5 position. He does tend to roam way too much in the enemy jungle with nature's guise, and virtually stays our of XP range for most of the game. Its great for scouting, but puts you way behind in terms of XP and the occasional last hit. Also with other supports, you aim to stack the ancients and the neutral camps as much as possible, to give your carry a leg up, and leech some experience, but with the way treant is played, its hard to do that.

johnnyb211

1452 Posts

July 10 2013 00:54 GMT

#82

On July 10 2013 09:49 teapoted wrote:

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Without tree they would have another hero, one that does something. And they wouldn't be playing or laning the same way. Pointless 'what if'.

It's not about if the tree was useful or not, it's about if the tree helped you secure the advantage which you needed. So with a weaver it allows you to dive super aggressively. Or it allows you to keep your farmer from dying.

Liquid didn't get all that much done with a line-up in weaver/potm which really does need to get something done fairly early.

Well, they won the earlygame I would say. What do they do with another hero? They won the bottom tri, so they would have won it even harder, but tree allowed them to keep up top, and win mid. Until S4 started rotating Bulba was actually doing better, even solokilling him.

My point is, if they draft some lane support hero instead of tree, this game is over much much earlier. I agree that the Mirana/Weaver picks seemed weaker, tho I liked the weaver, weaver-tree just too god to pass off and I can't suddenly think of another hero who could have done better against the alliance dual lane.

AwfuL_

Netherlands6976 Posts

July 10 2013 00:57 GMT

#83

On July 10 2013 09:46 johnnyb211 wrote:

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I'm pretty sure without the tree [A] goes 10-2 earlygame and not 5-7.

This tree/CM strat is designed to just have Liquid's solo heroes sit in the lane and win the early game by default thanks to armor/cm aura, while being able to zone out the enemy offlaner with CM. They normally always defensive trilane with this strat, but for some reason they felt the need to pressure LD while sacking their Weaver. That turned out to be a very bad trade since Alliance had the better lategame/ 5man by far. Not to mention Liquid showed their hand too early, enabling Alliance to simply counterpick the Weaver. Weaver needed to be a in a 1v1 matchup and dominate it with armor. An underfarmed weaver is okay against supports but doesn't do shit against tanky heroes like LD/NS/Naga. It's a similar story with Mirana.

icystorage

Jollibee19347 Posts

July 10 2013 02:15 GMT

#84

On July 10 2013 09:46 FinestHour wrote:

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does ixmike even play any other hero besides shadow demon

jakiro, kotl, cm, or any position 5 hero

renfree

4485 Posts

July 10 2013 02:58 GMT

#85

Simply outdrafted in game 2, nothing to do with Tree itself.

Proseat

Germany5113 Posts

July 10 2013 09:53 GMT

#86

Kinda disappointing that Liquid, who were sitting pretty in their Vegas bootcamp, cannot even contest a single game versus a team that just before the match had to quickly travel to and set up at a Swedish internet cafe late at night.

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