Time to put the tree strat into the dumpster, if you're no longer winning your lanes with it? Whereas game 1 seemed the result of carelessness on Liquid's part leading to a snowball effect, game 2 seemed like a thorough outdraft to me. What's a Mirana gonna do against LD/Naga/Nightstalker. How's Weaver going to have a good game against Naga/Disruptor. Not to mention two silences against Dark Seer.

Piledriver

United States1697 Posts

July 10 2013 00:44 GMT

#73

I think Liquid handled the NS really well early game. I don't understand the decision of giving safelane farm to Mirana, because she is not a carry with a built in steroid skill. Even if you do, then getting the midas is not the best item choice, because you want her to get her core items fast and start participating in teamfights early to snowball through kills and roll over your opponent's carry.

Loda's Mirana build in the previous game was much better IMO, early drums + manta + diffusal is the way to go IMO.

Edit: Also it might be a good idea to ban disruptor if you're playing weaver IMO.

teapoted

United Kingdom24425 Posts

July 10 2013 00:46 GMT

#74

Well played from Alliance. Especially considering it's like 2:30am and they're at a Lan cafe after all moving in together earlier in the day.

johnnyb211

1452 Posts

July 10 2013 00:46 GMT

#75

On July 10 2013 09:43 AwfuL_ wrote:
Time to put the tree strat into the dumpster, if you're no longer winning your lanes with it?

I'm pretty sure without the tree [A] goes 10-2 earlygame and not 5-7.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

July 10 2013 00:46 GMT

#76

On July 10 2013 09:43 AwfuL_ wrote:
Time to put the tree strat into the dumpster, if you're no longer winning your lanes with it?

does ixmike even play any other hero besides shadow demon

Ryrmidon

Canada371 Posts

July 10 2013 00:47 GMT

#77

I really feel like ixmike is the weak link on teamliquid when hes not playing shadow demon

WolfintheSheep

Canada14127 Posts

July 10 2013 00:47 GMT

#78

On July 10 2013 09:44 Piledriver wrote:
I think Liquid handled the NS really well early game. I don't understand the decision of giving safelane farm to Mirana, because she is not a carry with a built in steroid skill. Even if you do, then getting the midas is not the best item choice, because you want her to get her core items fast and start participating in teamfights early to snowball through kills and roll over your opponent's carry.

Loda's Mirana build in the previous game was much better IMO, early drums + manta + diffusal is the way to go IMO.

Can't really say that they did handle the NS. They got a kill off, and DS pressured him in lane fairly well, but as soon as S4 started roaming he got one or two kills, but more importantly slowed TL's farming by a noticeable amount.

teapoted

United Kingdom24425 Posts

July 10 2013 00:49 GMT

#79

On July 10 2013 09:46 johnnyb211 wrote:

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I'm pretty sure without the tree [A] goes 10-2 earlygame and not 5-7.

Without tree they would have another hero, one that does something. And they wouldn't be playing or laning the same way. Pointless 'what if'.

It's not about if the tree was useful or not in preventing kills, it's about if the tree helped you secure the advantage which you needed. So with a weaver it allows you to dive super aggressively. Or it allows you to keep your farmer from dying.

Liquid didn't get all that much done with a line-up in weaver/potm which really does need to get something done fairly early.

I don't think there's a problem with the strategy, but it needs to be played a lot more aggressively.

Sparvy

785 Posts

July 10 2013 00:50 GMT

#80

I heard ixmike's tree was like 20-2 before this series. Never won against [A] with it though, it is possible Liquid has trouble winning regardless of draft.