Quite simply, 30 minutes of this game came out of this Rapier buy. It got IG the win, but honestly, that Rapier is probably the sole reason why DK refused to end--because having a Rapier completely nullifies 10k+ of gold disadvantage (it gives you 5 Sacred Relics of damage for ~6k gold) as well as 2 lanes rax down because winning a fight with Rapier basically lets you instantly throne.

shizaep

Canada2920 Posts

August 09 2013 01:25 GMT

#5464

Fell asleep during game 2. (not bored was just too goddamn fatigued and I was watching this while lying down as well) Someone sum it up for me in 3 sentences. I know DK lost (

) but I hear there was a rapier? LR thread is too cluttered for me to find a game summary..

hideo

Canada1641 Posts

August 09 2013 01:25 GMT

#5465

I really don't like Spec with Mag or DS. Just nullifies all that sweet, sweet desolate damage. Bat, Puck, etc. please.

killerdog

Denmark6522 Posts

August 09 2013 01:25 GMT

#5466

So... If IG win a scrappy, tired game now then DK gets eliminated by zenith/VP due to being incredibly exhausted, is anyone else going to be kind of annoyed?

Kishin2

United States7534 Posts

August 09 2013 01:25 GMT

#5467

Stats nyx.. why?

KadaverBB

Germany25657 Posts

August 09 2013 01:26 GMT

#5468

On August 09 2013 10:25 TheYango wrote:
Quite simply, 30 minutes of this game came out of this Rapier buy. It got IG the win, but honestly, that Rapier is probably the sole reason why DK refused to end--because having a Rapier completely nullifies 10k+ of gold disadvantage (it gives you 5 Sacred Relics of damage for ~6k gold) as well as 2 lanes rax down because winning a fight with Rapier basically lets you instantly throne.

Stop trying to make sense!

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

August 09 2013 01:26 GMT

#5469

On August 09 2013 10:25 killerdog wrote:
So... If IG win a scrappy, tired game now then DK gets eliminated by zenith/VP due to being incredibly exhausted, is anyone else going to be kind of annoyed?

Going to be pretty mad. In Burning we trust!

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

August 09 2013 01:26 GMT

#5470

On August 09 2013 10:25 Kishin2 wrote:
Stats nyx.. why?

Isn't he just saving the point?

r.Evo

Germany14080 Posts

August 09 2013 01:26 GMT

#5471

On August 09 2013 10:25 Kishin2 wrote:
Stats nyx.. why?

So you can imagine stats when he's saving the skillpoint.

Itsmedudeman

United States19229 Posts

August 09 2013 01:26 GMT

#5472

On August 09 2013 10:23 Numy wrote:

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On August 09 2013 10:22 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:20 Numy wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:18 Itsmedudeman wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:11 TheYango wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:09 Numy wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:08 TheYango wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:05 LittLeD wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:04 UniversalSnip wrote:

On August 09 2013 10:01 killerdog wrote:
This can't be good advertising for dota 2 in korea though, leagues about to start and this is their first taste of dota, and they get the casters sitting there bored out of their minds writing "puck ig" on the map,

seriously, games like this are gonna be a huge turnoff for potential players... there should be a mechanism to prevent games going this way.

This is DotA. 80+ minute games has been a part of this game for as long as the game itself has existed. If you take that away, you won't have DotA anymore.

Actually, Icefrog's tried for years to make games shorter and NOT have these games happen. Buyback changes? Staggered TP channel times? Smoke?

All of those changes were geared toward shifting the game away from these long games.

I wonder, don't you feel like Buyback changes actually made late game even more unstable? It's just games don't tend to go that far anymore.

It makes games in the 40-60 minute range more likely to end immediately because you can't defend high ground with double/triple buyback from a single hero. Repeated buybacks only help the defending team because the attacking team can only TP back into the fight once anyway, barring a few specific heroes.

I still find buybacks bullshit when a team is diving a tower, get a few kills, then they buyback and get like 4 kills in return by tping back into the fight. Shouldn't be able to tp right after a buyback imo. I think the main reason for buybacks is so the game just doesn't end after 1 pickoff anticlimactically.

Well often times a team that keeps "winning fights" with buybacks falls too far behind due to having to expend buybacks in order to win fights. It's a very steep slope that if you don't make work you land up further behind than when you started.

I disagree... most times when I see buybacks used in the midgame it favors the team in the lead. For one, it's usually the farmed team with buybacks available. Also, usually the team with more towers can TP back into the fight. Then there's also the fact that usually buybacking into fights then wiping the other team usually leads into VERY worthwhile trades. Roshan, towers, etc.

Generally if a team is leading they don't have to constantly buyback to win fights. You aren't saying anything contrary to what I said you just talking about if a team is leading instead of one using buybacks defensively on the back foot to win fights.

In any case, buybacks punish offensive ventures into opponent territory or offensive engagements without buyback available. I think it's really expanded too far beyond late game uses and slows down the pace of the game as players want to keep gold stocked up for the buyback to be available.

FinestHour

United States18466 Posts

August 09 2013 01:27 GMT

#5473

wow dam they actually got him even with haste rune

739

Bearded Elder29903 Posts

August 09 2013 01:27 GMT

#5474

DK shoulda try to take off Visage instead of running.

Jehct

New Zealand9115 Posts

August 09 2013 01:28 GMT

#5475

On August 09 2013 10:25 trinxified wrote:
Did spectre get a recent buff? Why all of a sudden a good pick?

other heroes changed/got nerfed. common picks and playstyles changed (including how people play spec). often you don't have to change heroes themselves in order to make them useful/playable

Shadowpostin

Germany798 Posts

August 09 2013 01:28 GMT

#5476

what the fuck did ferarri just do?he had a stun easy kill on visage?

KillerSOS

United States4207 Posts

August 09 2013 01:28 GMT

#5477

That was cute soul assumption animation

ForTehDarkseid

8139 Posts

August 09 2013 01:28 GMT

#5478

On August 09 2013 10:24 Colston wrote:

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What? Dude, I know it's knee-jerk, I'm just pissed off at this boring shit dota. Hope none of these teams win.

That's exactly what I was talking about.

MrCon

France29748 Posts

August 09 2013 01:28 GMT

#5479

They refused to end way earlier tho, what was the score, something like 17-5 with all 6 tower down, AC on bear versus nothing but mek on OD and linken on weaver, they had like 25mn before the rapier to take a lane. Both Ferrari and Zhou had the worst early game possible with multiple deaths each. After that they could bkb the bear and take the tower "slowly", but he send his bear 3 times to get shackled/orb'ed.

juff

Singapore4659 Posts

August 09 2013 01:28 GMT

#5480

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Team DK vs. Invictus Gaming

The International 2013 Upper Bracket Round 1D Game 3

INVICTUS GAMING:

(Zhou), (Ferrari), (YYF), (Chuan), (Faith)

TEAM DK:

(BurNIng), (Super), (rOtk), (QQQ), (MMY!)

TOP

MID

BOT

2:30 Radiant Top T1 goes down.
- Dire dive the T2 and get first blood on WEAVER.
- RUBICK dies on the retreat.

6:00 Dire smokes into mid, but gets broken by WEAVER who is checking a rune.
- DK almost kills VISAGE at bot rune, but MAGNUS RPs and kills him.

2 : 0