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On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game?
Push down the lane 4v5 when the hook misses, kill everyone?
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There are more dangers that pudge-chen.
Those dangers are called wisp and Bat.
one has 100% presence in drafts, the other is banned everytime vs non-chinese teams.
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On August 10 2013 12:00 anonymitylol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game? ward, push when they had a huge advantage, play aggressive when pudge misses hooks
-If you ward, Pudge will smoke. Heck, you can't even split farm against a Chen+Pudge.
-You can't push. If Pudge lands a fountain hook, then you're pushing 4v5. If Pudge misses, he can just tp back. No loss.
-Play aggressive? How can you play aggressively, when Pudge's team is about 2 screens away from Pudge. You can't kill Pudge. And you can't find his team.
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On August 10 2013 12:02 AgentW wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 12:02 Plansix wrote:On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game? A number of things, all covered previously, including counter pick pudge and shut him down. Noob question: does hook go through BKB? Could they have just BKB'd and charged? I honestly don't know the game well enough to know if this stuff would work.
No it doesnt block.
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On August 10 2013 11:59 Crazy Eddie wrote:
Fnatic pulls off an excellent draft again (they've had some really good ones this tournament). AM+Prophet so greedy and can still be out-dpsed with this aura strat lategame.
Both teams drafted pretty awkward. The VS isn't realy a prime option and Orange forced themselves into Mag vs SF mid and AM vs Morph.
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On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game?
1. dodge hooks
2. push with creeps
3. team fight better
If you're expecting some answer like "build xxx item" so you have a 100% counter I'm sorry that this game takes execution, but all you have to do is play better. Picking pudge in itself is a huge risk and lead to Na`vi falling behind by that deficit in the first place. You also saw how underfarmed dendi was 35 minutes into the game. That's the nature of fountain hooking and pudge. Your 2 position solo mid will have virtually no farm in comparison to the other team's solo.
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On August 10 2013 12:01 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:57 MCDayC wrote:On August 10 2013 11:57 KadaverBB wrote:On August 10 2013 11:56 MCDayC wrote:On August 10 2013 11:55 KadaverBB wrote:On August 10 2013 11:53 AgentW wrote:On August 10 2013 11:53 KadaverBB wrote:
Gogo pudge! You are half-way there already fnatic! Isn't it improper for you to be flame baiting?  I'm just posting as a fan right now awesome icon, congrats on the blue name btw  Thanks ^^ was it for anything super specific, or just really good work? He sold his soul for TL+++ which gives a blue name
makes sense tbh
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On August 10 2013 12:01 Merfyn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 12:00 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game? ward, push when they had a huge advantage, play aggressive when pudge misses hooks Yeah they should have aggressively engaged 5v4 when Dendi missed his hooks
You can't aggressively engage when they back off after failing a hook. This is not a low level pub game where you fight even when you're at a disadvantage.
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On August 10 2013 12:03 iokke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:55 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:52 Tien wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million? No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior. but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan! double standards 4ever The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around. Do you even play dota? Fountain hooking is the most impossible thing to ever coordinate and pull off. There's only 2 players in the world that could pull it off in a pro game. If they're that good, hats off to them. Stop crying If this was IXDL I'd call 1v1 for a temp ban. Unfourtanately it's not. From a player's perspective, there's no one here that would argue that they would feel that the fountain hooking isn't bullshit. If you lost to it, you know you'd be bitching about it 100%, especially in a tournament with this much money on the line. It's 'within the rules' but whether or not it's 'fair' is another. IceFrog probably didn't expect anyone to really have the coordination to pull this off, but he'll likely take a look after this. And remember, unless it's 'IceFrog confirmed' it can be changed. A dev confirming an intended change means nothing. All those posts from TankLover are just disgusting, especially comparing this strat to Idra bming, gging out early (ironic)? And speak for yourself. You hated it, myself and lots of other people were insanely entertained by something different, and by a high risk/reward strat. How dare those "idiots" in the audience get excited too right, we should all be allmighty and biased like you. And saying that this takes no skill or teamwork to pull of is just ignorant. It may be cheesy, but you can make this argument for lots of strats. With regards to your post, I'd argue that fountain hooking isn't BS, it's a strat that's rarely seen. It must be either too hard to pull of or too risky, meaning that it can be defeated. If it was a bs easy mode cheese strat it would have been used more often id think. And gogo TL
In the particular situation they were in, there was 0 risk in doing what Dendi did. His team was not going to take a 5v4 fight. Tongfu were taking towers and winning the game the entire time until the Aegis hook.
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On August 10 2013 12:02 Tien wrote:
Man if this strategy was so imbalanced and easy to do why didn't Fnatic pick pudge?
Honor or something like that.
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On August 10 2013 11:53 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:52 Tien wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million? No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior. but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan! double standards 4ever The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around. Do you even play dota? Fountain hooking is the most impossible thing to ever coordinate and pull off. There's only 2 players in the world that could pull it off in a pro game. If they're that good, hats off to them. Stop crying Just stop with that opinion, it's wrong. 1% of the player base can do it easily.
They can do it, but with the efficiency of Navi? How many fountain hooks did they land last game? I lost count. I've seen this done by ROOT in a couple of their scrims months ago and they only managed to get 2-3 the whole game and got stomped in at least 75% of the games (the other 25% the Pudge had a gg and they trolled their opponents).
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On August 10 2013 12:03 iokke wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:55 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:52 Tien wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million? No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior. but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan! double standards 4ever The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around. Do you even play dota? Fountain hooking is the most impossible thing to ever coordinate and pull off. There's only 2 players in the world that could pull it off in a pro game. If they're that good, hats off to them. Stop crying If this was IXDL I'd call 1v1 for a temp ban. Unfourtanately it's not. From a player's perspective, there's no one here that would argue that they would feel that the fountain hooking isn't bullshit. If you lost to it, you know you'd be bitching about it 100%, especially in a tournament with this much money on the line. It's 'within the rules' but whether or not it's 'fair' is another. IceFrog probably didn't expect anyone to really have the coordination to pull this off, but he'll likely take a look after this. And remember, unless it's 'IceFrog confirmed' it can be changed. A dev confirming an intended change means nothing. All those posts from TankLover are just disgusting, especially comparing this strat to Idra bming, gging out early (ironic)? And speak for yourself. You hated it, myself and lots of other people were insanely entertained by something different, and by a high risk/reward strat. How dare those "idiots" in the audience get excited too right, we should all be allmighty and biased like you. And saying that this takes no skill or teamwork to pull of is just ignorant. It may be cheesy, but you can make this argument for lots of strats. With regards to your post, I'd argue that fountain hooking isn't BS, it's a strat that's rarely seen. It must be either too hard to pull of or too risky, meaning that it can be defeated. If it was a bs easy mode cheese strat it would have been used more often id think. And gogo TL
While I don't agree on "high risk" it's definitely high reward, and I don't mind either way, TongFu should've just grown enough cojones to just run them down before XBOCT got too much farm.
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On August 10 2013 11:55 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:52 Tien wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:On August 10 2013 11:38 TanKLoveR wrote:
Ugh you people seriously are ....
You're all about gimicky bs, "OPA DENDI OPA XD!!" like this hook or freaking Ursa and meepo ugh. What a ton of crap, that was a disgusting game and Na'Vi should be ashamed. But nope, everyone stood and screamed and clapped at such a shameful display, there was no skill, no team play just fucking luck. I hope Alliance destroys these people tomorrow, I look forward to it. OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT A BLOO BLOO BLOO :| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million? No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior. but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan! double standards 4ever The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around. Do you even play dota? Fountain hooking is the most impossible thing to ever coordinate and pull off. There's only 2 players in the world that could pull it off in a pro game. If they're that good, hats off to them. Stop crying If this was IXDL I'd call 1v1 for a temp ban. Unfourtanately it's not. From a player's perspective, there's no one here that would argue that they would feel that the fountain hooking isn't bullshit. If you lost to it, you know you'd be bitching about it 100%, especially in a tournament with this much money on the line. It's 'within the rules' but whether or not it's 'fair' is another. IceFrog probably didn't expect anyone to really have the coordination to pull this off, but he'll likely take a look after this. And remember, unless it's 'IceFrog confirmed' it can be changed. A dev confirming an intended change means nothing.
Give me a break, 1v1 temp ban? wtf is this high school? I've been on this site since 2003 and getting called out? Get out of here.
You saw this strategy once in your entire life, you'll see it maybe 1 more time in this entire tournament and maybe never again.
Nobody has the skill to pull this off in the PRO scene with 1.4 million on the line.
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On August 10 2013 12:03 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game? Push down the lane 4v5 when the hook misses, kill everyone?
TP scrolls?
There were periods where Dendi was back with his team before Hook even came off CD.
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On August 10 2013 12:05 Colston wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 12:03 iokke wrote:On August 10 2013 11:55 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:52 Tien wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
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OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT
A BLOO BLOO BLOO
:| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million? No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior. but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan! double standards 4ever The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around. Do you even play dota? Fountain hooking is the most impossible thing to ever coordinate and pull off. There's only 2 players in the world that could pull it off in a pro game. If they're that good, hats off to them. Stop crying If this was IXDL I'd call 1v1 for a temp ban. Unfourtanately it's not. From a player's perspective, there's no one here that would argue that they would feel that the fountain hooking isn't bullshit. If you lost to it, you know you'd be bitching about it 100%, especially in a tournament with this much money on the line. It's 'within the rules' but whether or not it's 'fair' is another. IceFrog probably didn't expect anyone to really have the coordination to pull this off, but he'll likely take a look after this. And remember, unless it's 'IceFrog confirmed' it can be changed. A dev confirming an intended change means nothing. All those posts from TankLover are just disgusting, especially comparing this strat to Idra bming, gging out early (ironic)? And speak for yourself. You hated it, myself and lots of other people were insanely entertained by something different, and by a high risk/reward strat. How dare those "idiots" in the audience get excited too right, we should all be allmighty and biased like you. And saying that this takes no skill or teamwork to pull of is just ignorant. It may be cheesy, but you can make this argument for lots of strats. With regards to your post, I'd argue that fountain hooking isn't BS, it's a strat that's rarely seen. It must be either too hard to pull of or too risky, meaning that it can be defeated. If it was a bs easy mode cheese strat it would have been used more often id think. And gogo TL While I don't agree on "high risk" it's definitely high reward, and I don't mind either way, TongFu should've just grown enough cojones to just run them down before XBOCT got too much farm.
Na'vi was so far away from Dendi there's no way Tongfu could ever catch them. Please rewatch the game. They were banking on Dendi getting a few hooks to stall for Hvost to get big.
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On August 10 2013 12:03 gLhF.Revere wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 12:00 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game? ward, push when they had a huge advantage, play aggressive when pudge misses hooks -If you ward, Pudge will smoke. Heck, you can't even split farm against a Chen+Pudge. -You can't push. If Pudge lands a fountain hook, then you're pushing 4v5. If Pudge misses, he can just tp back. No loss. -Play aggressive? How can you play aggressively, when Pudge's team is about 2 screens away from Pudge. You can't kill Pudge. And you can't find his team.
why are you even talking about this anymore, you've clearly never played a game of dota in your life
also, why didn't fnatic pick pudge if that strat is so imba? they threw away a free win according to you :V
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On August 10 2013 12:04 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 12:03 iokke wrote:On August 10 2013 11:55 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:52 Tien wrote:On August 10 2013 11:50 superstartran wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 anonymitylol wrote:On August 10 2013 11:46 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:43 trinxified wrote:On August 10 2013 11:42 TanKLoveR wrote:On August 10 2013 11:40 Fruscainte wrote:
[quote]
OH NO PEOPLE ARE PLAYING TO WIN IN A 1.4 MILLION DOLLAR FIRST PRIZE TOURNAMENT
A BLOO BLOO BLOO
:| It's not even about Na'Vi doing anything they can to win even if its completely retarded and turned me off from supporting them, it's the fact that people are celebrating this kind of BS. That "victory" was 100% luck, Na'Vi displayed NO skill in that match. You think Navi cares that you don't support them anymore when they can win 1.4 million? No they don't give a shit, and I don't give a shit about them now. That was complete crap, it's literally the same as people celebrating and cheering for Idra swearing, calling people names and early GGing. People around here are little kids, so easily pleased by shitty behavior. but when [A] picks kotl pl it's all hunky-dory for mr. dedicated [A] fan! double standards 4ever The difference is that you have to outplay your opponents first to get into a position to abuse PL/Kotl. With fountain hooking, you can be losing the game and hit maybe 2-3 key ones and turn the entire game around. Do you even play dota? Fountain hooking is the most impossible thing to ever coordinate and pull off. There's only 2 players in the world that could pull it off in a pro game. If they're that good, hats off to them. Stop crying If this was IXDL I'd call 1v1 for a temp ban. Unfourtanately it's not. From a player's perspective, there's no one here that would argue that they would feel that the fountain hooking isn't bullshit. If you lost to it, you know you'd be bitching about it 100%, especially in a tournament with this much money on the line. It's 'within the rules' but whether or not it's 'fair' is another. IceFrog probably didn't expect anyone to really have the coordination to pull this off, but he'll likely take a look after this. And remember, unless it's 'IceFrog confirmed' it can be changed. A dev confirming an intended change means nothing. All those posts from TankLover are just disgusting, especially comparing this strat to Idra bming, gging out early (ironic)? And speak for yourself. You hated it, myself and lots of other people were insanely entertained by something different, and by a high risk/reward strat. How dare those "idiots" in the audience get excited too right, we should all be allmighty and biased like you. And saying that this takes no skill or teamwork to pull of is just ignorant. It may be cheesy, but you can make this argument for lots of strats. With regards to your post, I'd argue that fountain hooking isn't BS, it's a strat that's rarely seen. It must be either too hard to pull of or too risky, meaning that it can be defeated. If it was a bs easy mode cheese strat it would have been used more often id think. And gogo TL In the particular situation they were in, there was 0 risk in doing what Dendi did. His team was not going to take a 5v4 fight. Tongfu were taking towers and winning the game the entire time until the Aegis hook.
Picks led them into this situation in the first place... it would have been a different game if they didn't have pudge/chen combo from the start so i really dont get this point.
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On August 10 2013 12:03 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:59 gLhF.Revere wrote:On August 10 2013 11:56 Gevna wrote:On August 10 2013 11:49 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 10 2013 11:47 goody153 wrote:
this is ridiculous i dont really understand why people complain about chen-pudge combo and asking for nerfs ... this is why this game is popular ,.. maybe the one who complained are new to this and expected this game to be something like sc2 or bw "this is why this game is popular". uh no. To me it is, if I wanted a fade game with everything linear, toned down I would play lol. But there are a lot of weird things, OP stuff which makes this game amazing. Anyway I don't even know why everybody is whining about fountain hooks, because it was Tong fu's fault not capitalizing enough when they had their advantage, and letting Hvost farming like mad men. Sure fountain hooks are flashy, but it was just a cleaver strategy to buy time for Hvost, killing one random hero every 5 minutes is not turning a game around. Nobody has answered this question. What could Tongfu have done to win that game? 1. dodge hooks 2. push with creeps 3. team fight better If you're expecting some answer like "build xxx item" so you have a 100% counter I'm sorry that this game takes execution, but all you have to do is play better. Picking pudge in itself is a huge risk and lead to Na`vi falling behind that deficit in the first place. You also saw how underfarmed dendi was 35 minutes into the game. That's the nature of fountain hooking and pudge. Your 2 position solo mid will have virtually no farm in comparison to the other team's solo.
4: Better bird usage.
Familiars block hook and Na'Vi had no real ranged damage. If you're a half-decent Visage, you won't get caught unaware.
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Poll: Will Tobi miss first bloodYes (5) 50% No (5) 50% 10 total votes Your vote: Will Tobi miss first blood (Vote): Yes
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