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figq
12519 Posts
Grand Final is best-of-five, no game advantage. Since there is no game advantage, if Na`Vi get there they may be in a decent position to win - they've already experienced two losses and could analyze them and adapt.Of course, the more probable option is that they will be drunk and do whatever comes to mind... and maybe still win. | ||
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LSF
469 Posts
On August 11 2013 20:42 ZaaaaaM wrote: What time will the grand finals be played? Unless they have a fixed schedule for that one, it will be anywhere between 1 and 3 hours after the LB final starts. | ||
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Namunelbo
501 Posts
On August 11 2013 15:25 rabidch wrote: ACE is CeSPA, if you mean the organization that the professional chinese dota teams use for rules, sanctions and tournament organization. They are very arguably one of the reasons why there was an extreme lull in competition this year. I know you can somehow relate ACE to being their own version of CeSPA regarding ruling, sanctions and tournaments... But they are still far away from KeSPA's strict training regimen, players contract, ... | ||
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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V1ctor
Moldova1645 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
Don't even think about it or I'll make all the birds on the world shit on your car all day erryday. It'll never be clean again. Never. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On August 11 2013 21:14 LSF wrote: Unless they have a fixed schedule for that one, it will be anywhere between 1 and 3 hours after the LB final starts. Uhm I dare to say it will be more like between 2 and 4 hours after the LB final. It's two games at least in the LB final, taking ~2 hours at mininum, longer if they go to lategame, also pauses in between. If we get 3 long games, 4 hours is possible | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 11 2013 12:49 DDie wrote: Disappointing drafts from puppey, the game we all wanted to see was chaos mode navi against methodical rock solid stable alliance. The winner bracket finals is not the place to try and surprise the best team of the tournament, just stick with your style, that's how you won tournaments before. imho puppey's draft 'make sense' high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
Hoping for Na'vi to pull a TI2, but I don't know if it'll happen; [A] looks so strong right now... | ||
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Intact
Sweden634 Posts
Imho puppey's draft 'make sense' high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan. I feel the opposite, Puppey have been drafting questionably and his banning has been even worse. Picking up wisp for a fast push strategy while letting both Naga and KotL slip to the other team while you ban gyro. Thats hardly world class drafting | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On August 11 2013 22:00 Intact wrote: I feel the opposite, Puppey have been drafting questionably and his banning has been even worse. Picking up wisp for a fast push strategy while letting both Naga and KotL slip to the other team while you ban gyro. Thats hardly world class drafting or he's just trying stuff knowing they have another chance on the grand final | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
On August 11 2013 21:33 sandyph wrote: imho puppey's draft 'make sense' high burst magic damage on the first game and fast push on the second game looks like puppey want to see whether these strange strats works on Alliance without letting Alliance experience the real na'vi on lan Puppeys drafts made no real sense to me if you look at navi themselves. DendI in non playmaker role on skywrath, wisp pick with no real plan for it just omg we got wisp. If a notoriously good drafting team like alliance let's you have wisp for free twice you have to know something is fishy. It felt to me puppey drafted right into s4s hands. Also push lineup with dendi on tide and kuro on wisp? What's wisp good for when you go for push? Kuro on tide and let dendi be dendi with a big play hero instead of a ulti bot like tide. Look at alliances only loss, playmaker s4 on dk accomplishes nothing, while when he gets bat or puck he wins games alone for alliance almost. Game after loss he drafted himself a playmaker and just dominated. Also why not ban kotl if u go for push? | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On August 11 2013 21:18 Namunelbo wrote: I know you can somehow relate ACE to being their own version of CeSPA regarding ruling, sanctions and tournaments... But they are still far away from KeSPA's strict training regimen, players contract, ... kespa does not require strict training regimen... that is to be enforced by the organizations themselves, which the chinese teams are already pretty good at, and ACE player contracts are enforced because of past controversies of player poaching. it is true kespa does have better infrastructure for starcraft than dota teams, but dota is a very volatile 5 man team game and inherently harder to coach, train, and schedule for than starcraft, and chinese does not have the established esports scene anyway, and why must they? if anything, ACE should consider inviting more western teams outside of china, sending chinese teams abroad, and most importantly and not do fail scheduling that causes chinese players to be out of competition for extended periods of time | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
As for Na'Vis draft, at least in g2 I think that was very typical Na'Vi. And I think any other team in the world would have took a premature fight rather than lose 6 towers and gotten stomped all over the place in a na'vi pub game fashion. Alliance just knew how to play against their strat, and they always seem to know when they can take the team fights. | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On August 11 2013 22:21 unkkz wrote: Puppeys drafts made no real sense to me if you look at navi themselves. DendI in non playmaker role on skywrath, wisp pick with no real plan for it just omg we got wisp. If a notoriously good drafting team like alliance let's you have wisp for free twice you have to know something is fishy. It felt to me puppey drafted right into s4s hands. Also push lineup with dendi on tide and kuro on wisp? What's wisp good for when you go for push? Kuro on tide and let dendi be dendi with a big play hero instead of a ulti bot like tide. Look at alliances only loss, playmaker s4 on dk accomplishes nothing, while when he gets bat or puck he wins games alone for alliance almost. Game after loss he drafted himself a playmaker and just dominated. Also why not ban kotl if u go for push? Alliance made really good decisions (And I believe will continue to do so) - they always let Wisp through - in Navi vs Alliance Alliance always picks Dire side so Navi gets first pick each game too. Problem is, if Alliance doesn't ban Wisp, Navi HAS to take Wisp with first pick. If not, Alliance gets a free Wisp (and we know how good Alliance is with that hero). On the other hand, it seems that Navi has not wanted to waste a ban on Wisp... usually as FP one big advantage is you can get away with not banning the hero under the threat that you will take him. If Navi bans Wisp with FP... that means that Alliance is likely getting the Lone Druid, or the Chen, or something else (or two) that they really want with their first two picks. I don't know... if I were Navi I'd probably ban out the Wisp, even with FP. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On August 11 2013 22:34 FairForever wrote: Alliance made really good decisions (And I believe will continue to do so) - they always let Wisp through - in Navi vs Alliance Alliance always picks Dire side so Navi gets first pick each game too. Problem is, if Alliance doesn't ban Wisp, Navi HAS to take Wisp with first pick. If not, Alliance gets a free Wisp (and we know how good Alliance is with that hero). On the other hand, it seems that Navi has not wanted to waste a ban on Wisp... usually as FP one big advantage is you can get away with not banning the hero under the threat that you will take him. If Navi bans Wisp with FP... that means that Alliance is likely getting the Lone Druid, or the Chen, or something else (or two) that they really want with their first two picks. I don't know... if I were Navi I'd probably ban out the Wisp, even with FP. I think this is the reason alliance were a bit afraid of fnatic. They have amazing wisp play so alliance doesn't have that draft advantage against them. | ||
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