EPTi don't know about you guys but i actually like naga gameplay.
It's 10x better than lancer gaming. And 5 times more exciting. It brings out the teams best play from both sides.
It's also not unbeatable especially with the rise of fast push lineups.
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goody153
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i don't know about you guys but i actually like naga gameplay. It's 10x better than lancer gaming. And 5 times more exciting. It brings out the teams best play from both sides. It's also not unbeatable especially with the rise of fast push lineups. | ||
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dots-chan
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Even the china fans were reeving about his carry potential. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:21 poorcloud wrote: The SEA doto influence i guess. Yeah havent see LGD try something new or creative for a long long time. I don't think you can attribute DK's success to any one factor. It's a mix of player skill, familiarity, and determination that very few teams in either scene have. The determination part is what stands out the most... it seems like whenever DK needs to win, one of their players digs just a little bit deeper and wills them to win. Whether it's BurNIng like at SL playoffs, Mushi and LaNm in WPC finals, etc. they just refuse to lose when it matters. You can tell from interviews with BurNIng and LaNm just how badly they want to win a TI, and I really think they will (bold prediction, I know) | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:26 goody153 wrote: no it won't be like TI3 where the drafting stage was who picks alchemist first. there is just so many really good hero right now . It's like every hero is viable. i predict it would be ember/naga/luna/lycan/invoker will be the first picks. Wasn't Ti3 dominated by Wisp? It was one of the few reasons why Alliance was so hard to draft against aside from Bulldog. | ||
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rebdomine
6040 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:29 goody153 wrote: i don't know about you guys but i actually like naga gameplay. It's 10x better than lancer gaming. And 5 times more exciting. It brings out the teams best play from both sides. It's also not unbeatable especially with the rise of fast push lineups. Yeees, a fellow Naga fan! hi5 | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:30 Kuroeeah wrote: Wasn't Ti3 dominated by Wisp? It was one of the few reasons why Alliance was so hard to draft against aside from Bulldog. I'm not positive, but I think TI3 happened post-Tether stun nerf, so no one ran it except Fnatic. And that was before the Eastern scene started adopting Wisp picks thanks to DK steamrolling with Wisp+CK/Tiny | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:32 Omigawa wrote: I'm not positive, but I think TI3 happened post-Tether stun nerf, so no one ran it except Fnatic. And that was before the Eastern scene started adopting Wisp picks thanks to DK steamrolling with Wisp+CK/Tiny You're 100% wrong. | ||
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goody153
44137 Posts
sup brother :D | ||
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goody153
44137 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:30 Kuroeeah wrote: Wasn't Ti3 dominated by Wisp? It was one of the few reasons why Alliance was so hard to draft against aside from Bulldog. i think the only team who picks wisp alot was na'vi and alliance only in TI3. Other teams prioritize the alch if not i normally see weaver or gyro. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
yump.... just checked datdota, wisp was like 6th most p/b for ti3 when did tether nerf happen? could have sworn it was pre-ti3  | ||
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ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:29 goody153 wrote: i don't know about you guys but i actually like naga gameplay. It's 10x better than lancer gaming. And 5 times more exciting. It brings out the teams best play from both sides. It's also not unbeatable especially with the rise of fast push lineups. Yeah i prefer naga lycan meta as well. Just think back to those days of 70 minute games, KOTL PL vs Phrophet AM. No push/fight for min 30 minutes. | ||
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goody153
44137 Posts
tiny-wisp was popularized by fnatic. I think DK were running a mass global strat a lot of times when they were using io+ anything. | ||
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wuhan_clan
United States5609 Posts
On the opposite end of the spectrum, LGD lacks a lot of talent compared with other established Chinese teams. This is why Xiao8 always drafted lineups that heavily focused on team fight, 5 manning, and general reliance on team execution to win games. Without him, LGD has yet to establish a style that can work for them (if one even exists). The most notable deficiency of LGD is in their support duo, who are noticeably less skilled than a MMY/Lanm, Chuan/Faith, or FY/Fenrir. Yao is their only player who has enough individual talent to stand out on any roster. This support duo skill discrepancy between top teams and near-top teams is common throughout both Eastern and Western Dota. It's usually hard to definitively point out which mid or carry is better between teams but the better support duos are quite easy to spot. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:29 goody153 wrote: i don't know about you guys but i actually like naga gameplay. It's 10x better than lancer gaming. And 5 times more exciting. It brings out the teams best play from both sides. It's also not unbeatable especially with the rise of fast push lineups. It's definitely better than Lancer gaming, because at least you can actually do cool stuff with carry Naga. You could set up wombo combos, which is fun to watch. What is not fun about Naga is when teams have no answer to the split push nonsense by her. It becomes so boring to watch, because you know the team will lose eventually, but Naga has to be 5-6 slotted before she can even attempt a T3 assault. The wait is irritating when the outcome is so obvious. I don't like Lycan as well, because all he does is just push towers + right clicks. I said many times, but the coolest thing you can do with Lycan is just body blocking with wolves, which is rarely performed. How fun is it to watch a Lycan game, when Lycan never ever manfights. I like watching Ember because SoF-Chains is a ganking playstyle. At least he is quite involved in teamfights/ganks. It's however a pain when you see Trixi or any other player stubbornly play a Guard build and then feeds and be useless with it. Then they start trying to play catch up with farm, but still becomes so irrelevant regardless. | ||
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Caesarion
Australia8332 Posts
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goody153
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and wth is with that sandking first pick | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:36 goody153 wrote: tiny-wisp was popularized by fnatic. I think DK were running a mass global strat a lot of times when they were using io+ anything. We're talking about Ti3 here not who popularized it. I would easily consider Wisp to have the biggest influence throughout that tournament. Before looking at Wisp's ban/pick/win percentile, know that I'm talking very specifically about certain teams that were confident in running it which was Alliance, Fnatic and maybe Na'Vi. Naga ironically was a counter to Wisp which led na'vi picking her as a support specifically for the hero. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:43 goody153 wrote: DK doing a western gameplay. and wth is with that sandking first pick thats the eastern gameplay | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On April 13 2014 17:44 Kuroeeah wrote: Naga ironically was a counter to Wisp which led na'vi picking her as a support specifically for the hero. Na'Vi picked Naga 2 times in the groupstages, didn't work, never picked it again. That was a hero that Alliance brought to the meta as a support | ||
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