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On April 08 2014 01:49 Ravensong170 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:45 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:43 Ravensong170 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:38 hariooo wrote:
luckily for c9 top 6 of 8 makes it out of group stage and liquid is guaranteed last already.
can't see them being in the right mindset to threaten navi with these kinds of losses to EG They are a different team when they play alliance, Na'vi and empire. They draft a lineup they are comfortable with, they coordinate and they lane the game smartly. Vs Liquid and EG they are try to get creative/weird drafts. They force really dumb lanes and bad picks. And then they play bad. Honestly, I'm STILL not impressed by EG overall. They seem to be just like sigma, a team that has a new style, that is the Artz +4 style. Once teams learn how to beat that and they become much weaker team. C9 isn't a good metric imo, because C9 just plays bad dota versus EG and Liquid. Seriously, Forcing the shadow shaman pick with a naga ? he's a weak hero as a farmer unless you have the right draft with him. C9 probably scrims with Liquid and/or EG way too much, hence the crappy mindgames. Watching some team kills in SC2's tourneys feels worse. Also, EG's style is draft something clever and proceed to bait enemy in the trap. Granted, it did fail against Fnatic when n0tail got wisp, yet it was rather clever with relocate baits there. They scrim with EG a lot, supposedly. But yea EG doesn't try to mindgame whereas C9 overthink everything. At Monster SxSW invite, the games they won, were won through comfortable lanes and draft. I mean Drafting Dark Seer is fine and all, but they have no damage behind him.... a SS aa and CM are way to weak to have in the same lineup. Puck would've been a good hero for sing in that lineup. (though i'm not sure if it was banned or not)
EG doesn't need to mindgame because a lot of their strats are fresh. It's not like they haven't done crazy shit against C9(remember when they ushered in the solo mid Lycan) I'm also fairly sure c9 plays a lot better on LAN...the online/ping problem is a big deal to them
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On April 08 2014 01:52 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:46 blobrus wrote:On April 08 2014 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:41 Noya wrote:
4pArteezy isn't outdated tho Except that 4pArteezy actually has a decent/good 2nd core. Especially now, with mason having a hero pool that has a size of what? 3 heroes? Mason literally just played core dazzle and a bloodseeker in yesterdays matches. The criticism of him having a small hero pool is stupid. To be fair his bloodseeker didn't do very much, but I'm pretty sure that pick was for the sole purpose of crushing TL's morale. We give so few fucks about you we'll take one of the worst heroes in DotA and still win. His Dazzle didn't matter and neither did his Mirana this game. EG could have just about anyone stand in for 5th against TL and C9 right now. Whatever psychological advantage they have right now is real.
I didn't see the first half of the Dazzle game yesterday. Mirana had a few saves with ult, but anyone could have done that by hitting R.
My point was that BS wasn't some next level pick that shit on TL. It's purpose was entirely for soul crushing. The game didn't matter, it wasn't a finals so no money was on the line and if they lose there's still a game 3 they'd win. At that point it was just mind fucking TL.
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On April 08 2014 01:47 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:46 blobrus wrote:On April 08 2014 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:41 Noya wrote:
4pArteezy isn't outdated tho Except that 4pArteezy actually has a decent/good 2nd core. Especially now, with mason having a hero pool that has a size of what? 3 heroes? Mason literally just played core dazzle and a bloodseeker in yesterdays matches. The criticism of him having a small hero pool is stupid. 1 match of each versus what? 10+ matches of mirana and/or weaver? He does get unconventional 1s sometimes, but his venge certainly did not impress me at all. Mason has played 26 different heroes in 55 recorded matches on DatDota :o 13 of those matches are on mirana though. So if you take out mirana that means he has played 25 in 42 matches. Mirana is also the only hero he has played more than 10 matches on. Second place is Storm and Weaver with 5.
So basically 23 matches (he is 20 and 3 in those BTW) were on 3 heroes out of 55 is a lot but frankly a lot of players are like that. But to play 23 heros out of the remaining 32 is also impressive.
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Universe Dark Seer, my body is ready.
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Lol dunno if this was brought up yet but Fnatic is having some fun with Arteezy
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people are seriously complaining about masons or arteezys hero pool roflmao
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Does anyone else think EG drafts kind of similar to Sigma? They're definitely big fans of always picking roadblock supports like Sigma was
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On April 08 2014 01:59 Noya wrote:
people are seriously complaining about masons or arteezys hero pool roflmao I mean, its not like at one point arteezy played 10 or 11 different heroes in 15 matches or anything. Such a small pool !
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Yeah sigma learned from Goblak and PPD seems to be inspired by the same shit.
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On April 08 2014 01:55 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:52 hariooo wrote:On April 08 2014 01:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:46 blobrus wrote:On April 08 2014 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:41 Noya wrote:
4pArteezy isn't outdated tho Except that 4pArteezy actually has a decent/good 2nd core. Especially now, with mason having a hero pool that has a size of what? 3 heroes? Mason literally just played core dazzle and a bloodseeker in yesterdays matches. The criticism of him having a small hero pool is stupid. To be fair his bloodseeker didn't do very much, but I'm pretty sure that pick was for the sole purpose of crushing TL's morale. We give so few fucks about you we'll take one of the worst heroes in DotA and still win. His Dazzle didn't matter and neither did his Mirana this game. EG could have just about anyone stand in for 5th against TL and C9 right now. Whatever psychological advantage they have right now is real. I didn't see the first half of the Dazzle game yesterday. Mirana had a few saves with ult, but anyone could have done that by hitting R. My point was that BS wasn't some next level pick that shit on TL. It's purpose was entirely for soul crushing. The game didn't matter, it wasn't a finals so no money was on the line and if they lose there's still a game 3 they'd win. At that point it was just mind fucking TL.
To be fair I think BS last pick against Weaver is pretty legit. It's about as hard of a counter as you can draft.
GAME 2
Oh my fucking god EE why are you drafting another hero that RTZ knows how to play better than you? Just let SingSing mid and wreck RTZ PLEASE. Fuck I don't see EG losing an EE Lycan
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On April 08 2014 02:02 yawnoC wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:59 Noya wrote:
people are seriously complaining about masons or arteezys hero pool roflmao I mean, its not like at one point arteezy played 10 or 11 different heroes in 15 matches or anything. Such a small pool !
Wasn't there some stat a few days ago where Arteezy had played 23 heroes mid, more than anyone. The 2nd place was like 14 or something. It was along those lines.
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On April 08 2014 02:02 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:55 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:52 hariooo wrote:On April 08 2014 01:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:46 blobrus wrote:On April 08 2014 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:41 Noya wrote:
4pArteezy isn't outdated tho Except that 4pArteezy actually has a decent/good 2nd core. Especially now, with mason having a hero pool that has a size of what? 3 heroes? Mason literally just played core dazzle and a bloodseeker in yesterdays matches. The criticism of him having a small hero pool is stupid. To be fair his bloodseeker didn't do very much, but I'm pretty sure that pick was for the sole purpose of crushing TL's morale. We give so few fucks about you we'll take one of the worst heroes in DotA and still win. His Dazzle didn't matter and neither did his Mirana this game. EG could have just about anyone stand in for 5th against TL and C9 right now. Whatever psychological advantage they have right now is real. I didn't see the first half of the Dazzle game yesterday. Mirana had a few saves with ult, but anyone could have done that by hitting R. My point was that BS wasn't some next level pick that shit on TL. It's purpose was entirely for soul crushing. The game didn't matter, it wasn't a finals so no money was on the line and if they lose there's still a game 3 they'd win. At that point it was just mind fucking TL. To be fair I think BS last pick against Weaver is pretty legit. It's about as hard of a counter as you can draft. GAME 2 Oh my fucking god EE why are you drafting another hero that RTZ knows how to play better than you? Just let SingSing mid and wreck RTZ PLEASE. Fuck I don't see EG losing an EE Lycan
He isn't drafting dude
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On April 08 2014 02:02 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:55 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:52 hariooo wrote:On April 08 2014 01:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:46 blobrus wrote:On April 08 2014 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:41 Noya wrote:
4pArteezy isn't outdated tho Except that 4pArteezy actually has a decent/good 2nd core. Especially now, with mason having a hero pool that has a size of what? 3 heroes? Mason literally just played core dazzle and a bloodseeker in yesterdays matches. The criticism of him having a small hero pool is stupid. To be fair his bloodseeker didn't do very much, but I'm pretty sure that pick was for the sole purpose of crushing TL's morale. We give so few fucks about you we'll take one of the worst heroes in DotA and still win. His Dazzle didn't matter and neither did his Mirana this game. EG could have just about anyone stand in for 5th against TL and C9 right now. Whatever psychological advantage they have right now is real. I didn't see the first half of the Dazzle game yesterday. Mirana had a few saves with ult, but anyone could have done that by hitting R. My point was that BS wasn't some next level pick that shit on TL. It's purpose was entirely for soul crushing. The game didn't matter, it wasn't a finals so no money was on the line and if they lose there's still a game 3 they'd win. At that point it was just mind fucking TL. To be fair I think BS last pick against Weaver is pretty legit. It's about as hard of a counter as you can draft. GAME 2 Oh my fucking god EE why are you drafting another hero that RTZ knows how to play better than you? Just let SingSing mid and wreck RTZ PLEASE. Fuck I don't see EG losing an EE Lycan Isn't pie drafting?
On April 08 2014 02:03 OuchyDathurts wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 02:02 yawnoC wrote:On April 08 2014 01:59 Noya wrote:
people are seriously complaining about masons or arteezys hero pool roflmao I mean, its not like at one point arteezy played 10 or 11 different heroes in 15 matches or anything. Such a small pool ! Wasn't there some stat a few days ago where Arteezy had played 23 heroes mid, more than anyone. The 2nd place was like 14 or something. It was along those lines. Seriously... off the top of my head RTZ has played OD, Alchemist, Invoker, Morphling, Ember, Tinker, Puck, Storm, SF, Naga, Razor, and Lycan. That's 12 heroes right there O_o;
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Aww yeah rtz has been doing Axe mid in pubs a lot
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EE's not a real lycan player unfortunately.
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And now you can add Axe to that list
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On April 08 2014 02:02 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2014 01:55 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:52 hariooo wrote:On April 08 2014 01:47 OuchyDathurts wrote:On April 08 2014 01:46 blobrus wrote:On April 08 2014 01:43 lolfail9001 wrote:On April 08 2014 01:41 Noya wrote:
4pArteezy isn't outdated tho Except that 4pArteezy actually has a decent/good 2nd core. Especially now, with mason having a hero pool that has a size of what? 3 heroes? Mason literally just played core dazzle and a bloodseeker in yesterdays matches. The criticism of him having a small hero pool is stupid. To be fair his bloodseeker didn't do very much, but I'm pretty sure that pick was for the sole purpose of crushing TL's morale. We give so few fucks about you we'll take one of the worst heroes in DotA and still win. His Dazzle didn't matter and neither did his Mirana this game. EG could have just about anyone stand in for 5th against TL and C9 right now. Whatever psychological advantage they have right now is real. I didn't see the first half of the Dazzle game yesterday. Mirana had a few saves with ult, but anyone could have done that by hitting R. My point was that BS wasn't some next level pick that shit on TL. It's purpose was entirely for soul crushing. The game didn't matter, it wasn't a finals so no money was on the line and if they lose there's still a game 3 they'd win. At that point it was just mind fucking TL. To be fair I think BS last pick against Weaver is pretty legit. It's about as hard of a counter as you can draft. GAME 2 Oh my fucking god EE why are you drafting another hero that RTZ knows how to play better than you? Just let SingSing mid and wreck RTZ PLEASE. Fuck I don't see EG losing an EE Lycan
PLD is their drafter and captain.
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yeah i didnt mean EE personally but as a team. u guys are right tho pie is drafting
And I just watched a few RTZ Axe games and... this is pretty real.
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EPT
