EPTiirc there was already two top and for some reason TC walked right into the creep line
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beesinyoface
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iirc there was already two top and for some reason TC walked right into the creep line | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Saechiis
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AwfuL_
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On April 10 2014 05:46 Sn0_Man wrote: Naw naga was part of the gank and had a haste. We can't really know exactly where the creep vision was or who revealed first without digging into the replay and turning on dire vision. Yeah but everyone's blaming TC as per fucking usual Also Luna has huge night vision and Luna was running in and out of fog for them probably | ||
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Flacracker
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On April 10 2014 05:47 Flacracker wrote: TC was just awful that game. First he shows himself to a creep wave causing the death of two teammates and then he blinks with no backup onto a Luna and Mirana. Then they lost the game. The game before TC's item choices were a large factor in their loss. TC item choices lost them their hopes at Kiev in game 3 vs. EG when he was playing Doom. TC really needs to be replaced. Kick him so he can play with Fluff on SNA and get Demon for carry and get a good support player. Demon will make his own Red Bull team according to GosuGamers, so I don't think he is available. | ||
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Flacracker
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On April 10 2014 05:46 Sn0_Man wrote: Naw naga was part of the gank and had a haste. We can't really know exactly where the creep vision was or who revealed first without digging into the replay and turning on dire vision. Bulba was in the creep wave farming like normal in waiting for the gank. TC should not have gone anywhere near the creep wave and should have gone around the trees and into the jungle. Instead he went up the lane. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On April 10 2014 05:50 Flacracker wrote: Bulba was in the creep wave farming like normal in waiting for the gank. TC should not have gone anywhere near the creep wave and should have gone around the trees and into the jungle. Instead he went up the lane. Naga was literally right next to him for most of that although i don't remember it exactly | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 10 2014 05:47 Flacracker wrote: TC was just awful that game. First he shows himself to a creep wave causing the death of two teammates Obviously those two teammates couldn't possibly have been out of position considering the fact that they died... On April 10 2014 05:47 Flacracker wrote: The game before TC's item choices were a large factor in their loss. While I agree that an early midas isn't too solid vs a pushing lineup, midas is really good against a chen and the real reason they lost was poorly coordinated teamfights that they should have easily won with AA sceptre. On April 10 2014 05:47 Flacracker wrote: TC item choices lost them their hopes at Kiev in game 3 vs. EG when he was playing Doom. Sure his item choice was awful there. Actually just abysmal for how they played. However, they lost the game for more reasons than just that. On April 10 2014 05:47 Flacracker wrote: get a good support player. Good luck with that one. Very very few decent NA free agent supports (aka 0). Also roster changes now mean no TI Qualifier invite so whats the point? On April 10 2014 05:50 Flacracker wrote: Bulba was in the creep wave farming like normal in waiting for the gank. TC should not have gone anywhere near the creep wave and should have gone around the trees and into the jungle. Instead he went up the lane. ? who's talking about bulba lmao. Demon dropped a sentry to confirm there was no lane ward but there could have been a jungle ward so they went lane to avoid being seen from the jungle. The order of initiation wasn't properly communicated obviously which is a big issue. | ||
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beesinyoface
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On April 10 2014 05:48 Serinox wrote: Demon will make his own Red Bull team according to GosuGamers, so I don't think he is available. Source? On April 10 2014 05:51 AwfuL_ wrote: Naga was literally right next to him for most of that although i don't remember it exactly That's how I remember it. although I'd need to see the replay to see if I'm wrong or not. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing Bulba/Demon together and then the second TC showed himself Loda pinged like crazy. | ||
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Aelfric
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0hjm3yZ.jpg) | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
To me it looked like the hasted Demon should have been visible first, while TC was hiding behind the trees. | ||
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beesinyoface
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On April 10 2014 05:56 Aelfric wrote: This is the moment of gang, i lookid it up from replay with vision of dire side. Demon and TC run into the vision when the lane was pushed and loda was already backed up. But he didnt have ward or vision through the side where they could just slide in and blink on top of him. After Loda saw them he just backed up way back through the T2. + Show Spoiler + Hmmm interesting, thanks. | ||
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giftdgecko
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AwfuL_
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So yeah, they dropped the sentry, found no lane ward, figured there must've been a jungle ward then, and figured their best bet would be to just run at Luna with sprint/haste and blink on top of her. But Loda reacted quickly enough for that to fail. But let's all say TC should be kicked guys | ||
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Sn0_Man
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Flacracker
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On April 10 2014 06:04 AwfuL_ wrote: Thanks for the screenshot! So yeah, they dropped the sentry, found no lane ward, figured there must've been a jungle ward then, and figured their best bet would be to just run at Luna with sprint/haste and blink on top of her. But Loda reacted quickly enough for that to fail. But let's all say TC should be kicked guys No way. Cutting through the jungle would still be a much shorter route than walking through the lane and walking through all of the creeps. TC has been making bad plays for a long time now. He is hurting Liquid. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 10 2014 06:04 AwfuL_ wrote: Thanks for the screenshot! So yeah, they dropped the sentry, found no lane ward, figured there must've been a jungle ward then, and figured their best bet would be to just run at Luna with sprint/haste and blink on top of her. But Loda reacted quickly enough for that to fail. But let's all say TC should be kicked guys No amount of reaction time is enough to counter Sprint, Blink, Stampede and a Haste rune. If they wanted to get Loda, they could've done so. If they decided it wasn't safe, then they should have backed off. But waiting 20+ seconds after running into creep vision to jump in and initiate? That's just stupid. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On April 10 2014 06:10 Flacracker wrote: No way. Cutting through the jungle would still be a much shorter route than walking through the lane and walking through all of the creeps. TC has been making bad plays for a long time now. He is hurting Liquid. Everyone on that team is constantly making bad plays in pretty much equal amounts. Maybe not Bulba, his good plays outshine the bad ones in pretty much every game anyway. | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/news/27408-redbull-esports-to-form-a-new-squad-around-demon | ||
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