Phantom Assassin is still imbalanced?

On March 22 2017 02:07 Buckyman wrote:
PA is all physical. Ghost Scepter shuts her down when she jumps on you, at which point your teammates can (hopefully) murder her.

PA is very strong under 3k because teams typically aren't coordinated well enough to pull that off.

On March 22 2017 09:56 nanaoei wrote:
any hero in the game will die if they can't get away in time for 3-4 hits to crit just once with a rushed desolator on PA.
it's a very crippling thing for someone's gameplay to be sure.
this would be around 16:00, and players need to accept that there's this sort of strength with the hero and then play around it. often this might mean farming safely and not taking major fights until you get a 3rd-4th item MKB.
other times it might mean you have to play finesse and ignore the PA in teamfights until you can dogpile with disables.
i would actually compare that experience of having to play differently to something like playing against a zeus.
i believe this is where the thought of it being imbalanced comes from.

one of the major things about midgame heroes like this is that once a team gets beefier (not only on cores), you eventually don't have the damage to finish a fight strong. let's say you've got a magnus with good rp's, the game can still be very hard if the game drags and there is item progression across the board.
while for PA, magic damage can carry you for early and midgame, my favourite thing to do against PA is to build early ghost scepter and armor; if you can it well, saving up for blink over a ghost can help even more. it has to do with timing and feeling.
if PA cannot get close to you, with vision in the meanwhile in order to blink strike, you can translate that into a lot of things, including more farm.
if he cannot farm a fast abyssal because he is not snowballing, the option of ghost + tp means you can shove his lanes in, or deny gold from kills even more.

cores that build items like medallion, vlads, and veil of discord don't notice the first power spike of PA if they are doing something like vangaurd or vlads before the deso. the hero also farms at specific times and rather slowly, so you can plan pushes around having both the items and the timing to pull it off. this approach will make most carries slightly more poor over time.

in a sense, having mitigation or eHP is like having a passive on your hero like blur is to PA
i will not lie, most of the time you need to farm faster and play more precisely against PA than the effort it takes to do well early and then snowball as the PA player. it sounds like cheese, but i don't think the hero is really all that strong.
blur is a value point, but it needs to leveled over time, and the hero typically doesn't build health to survive magic-ganks early on. there are even more weaknesses leading up until the very lategame where i'd say the hero is at its weakest if the game isn't in a great spot by then.

On March 23 2017 06:31 Seedfan wrote:
PA is such a garbage hero

On March 25 2017 03:40 babysimba wrote:
Personally hood first is core item for me. Magic damage is the only thing stopping this low hp agi hero from going ham early game.

On March 23 2017 01:04 neozxa wrote:
basically you need to snowball hard before their carries get silveredge bloodthorn or mkb.
hence why people build phase aquila vlads and try to end the game fast with her before she goes obsolete.
flank supports and squishy casters,and fuck things up for them in the midgame.

Also your rng needs to be on point if you want to get ez mmr.

On March 28 2017 13:47 DucK- wrote:
I think the hero is fine. Maybe some talent tweaks. The hero becomes crazy good if you're really skillful, but if skill eludes you then she's crap. I like this aspect of her. All about snowball!

On March 28 2017 14:02 goody153 wrote:

i mean the hero does works for sure but not like juggernaut , sven level kind of working or pick reliability

it's just a niche pick

On March 28 2017 22:04 gaymon wrote:
Is this thread an elaborate ruse ?

On March 22 2017 00:58 Plansix wrote:
If you are a support in a game with PA, you need to be aware of how powerful she is and how quickly she can get to you. She is one of those heroes that it is impossible to escape if you are solo and don't have the items to deal with her. Even with a hero like CM, who has a reliable root and nuke, PA will just murder you if she can live through that. Being pretty shit at Dota, a lot of games again PA go bad because myself or people on my team feed her 2-3 free kills once she gets past the laning stage.