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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-14 15:57:34
March 14 2017 15:56 GMT
#241
Until gyro gets 1, preferably 2 (usually bfly and mkb), most if not majority of his damage will come from barrages and getting a good call down. There are very few cases where having an extra 175 is worth more than having magic immunity. Actually I can't think of any.

Side gunner is random too, so it doesn't necessarily attack the target you want. If you want to hit building get either a direct damage item or item(s) that help you hit the building safely, like bkb or pike.
Stuck.
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
March 15 2017 03:50 GMT
#242
Essentially Agha is like DD. You hit twice every time. Problem is that it is single target, doesn't work on flak, and carry gyro is all about maximising flak. Furthermore rocket barrage is so good single target damage already. Then you try to be cute because it helps proc lightning, but you make your flak so weak that its a rubbish thing to do.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 15 2017 15:37 GMT
#243
i havent tried it but mjol seems fine to me it makes ur flaks come out faster
i dnt think anything other than rapier does more flak dps tbh
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-15 17:54:07
March 15 2017 17:52 GMT
#244
On March 15 2017 12:50 DucK- wrote:
Essentially Agha is like DD. You hit twice every time. Problem is that it is single target, doesn't work on flak, and carry gyro is all about maximising flak. Furthermore rocket barrage is so good single target damage already. Then you try to be cute because it helps proc lightning, but you make your flak so weak that its a rubbish thing to do.

I somewhat agree. But I don't think builds like agha satanic are about maximizing flak early. I think they are trying to build him more about barrage and make him an early brawler that can tank through the time he's weak (bkb).
It's important to note that Agha Satanic both are probably part of a perfect 6-slot-scenario.
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7582 Posts
March 15 2017 19:56 GMT
#245
If you want to maximize barrage then it's about making sure he's not blown up and CC'd. Bkb is the item for that. Rushing agh satanic so he can barrage is like making a gyro do a pudge or centaur's job by tanking in the frontlines that opponents can't ignore. If game somehow demands you do that, go bkb/skadi instead. There's a reason why almost in no cases do heroes go for satanic without 2 major damage items first.

Don't think you'll have room for agh for a 6-slot build. Boots/mkb/bkb + whatever you need from bfly/skadi/satanic/bloodthorn/daedalus/pike/abyssal/linkens.
Stuck.
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-15 20:34:52
March 15 2017 20:29 GMT
#246
I mean a carry gyro that centers on maximizing flak is nonviable. you just pick other heroes. Yeah 4 years ago flak is what made gyro a carry. It got nerfed a lot. Last time gyro was popular it wasn't for flak at all. It was all about his spells and people went sny and stats items. He's been dead for over a year even still since call down got nerfed. This recent experimentation is more in that vein. Stop talking about mkb first major item after bkb nonsense that hasn't been a thing since TI3. Aghs has some clear advantages/disadvantages to sny first item (also bkb in some cases). Primarily that it gets better as game goes late and doesn't drop off so hard as sny. As for bkb that's obviously best if you have to fight now but it adds nothing to your farm ability which is a big drawback as first item. And acting like there's never a place for a safe lane carry that is tanky and front lines and hit towers for a glass cannon mid is just silly. Dragon lance aghs satanic gyro does that shockingly well in fact. But srsly compare those things and don't talk about 5 yr old builds please.

He's still bad anyways.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-16 02:03:53
March 16 2017 02:03 GMT
#247
here's a recent 7.5k avg game where gyro carried

https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3056342357

the rep may still be up for awhile
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Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-18 19:25:00
March 18 2017 19:24 GMT
#248
Here's a pro game that shows both the strengths and weaknesses of Mael-Aghs on Gyrocopter.

The good:
*Fast farming; Gyrocopter was constantly outfarming the enemy cores even with fewer kills and assists.
*Early damage; the Maelstrom damage let them win a fight shortly after it was acquired.
*Gyrocopter was almost able to kill Enigma while black-holed.

The bad:
* With no movement speed beyond boots and no Hurricane Pike, Gyrocopter had a hard time applying his damage before BKB.
* Even with butterfly from a farm advantage, Gyrocopter could not kill enemy heroes through their own BKBs.
* Since supports had +HP talents and Gyrocopter didn't have much raw +damage, he couldn't kill them with flak alone.

Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3253 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-19 07:06:05
March 19 2017 07:04 GMT
#249
After trying aghs mael out I've got to say that the farming speed is AM-level ridiculous. I'm not sure I agree to the butterfly follow-up though, I assume that Mjolnir butterfly has a lot less dps than Mjolnir MkB.

I guess considering satanic's 50 damage it could be a lot closer. Butterfly ofc also gives some physical resistance, which gyro really profits from considering that he built +875/1075(with bkb) health.
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