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The pro Chinese's Gyro Skadis tend to be before you've got an MKB and want that bulk in dangerous games. Even if you do this, your damage will still be okay, rocket barrage is still sorta meaty and you can get some DMG through every little item pickup.
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On July 28 2015 23:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
satanic over skadi in about 95% of games imo
On July 29 2015 00:45 TheYango wrote:
They do different things. Skadi is more pure bulk against stuff that can catch you and risk 100-0ing you (e.g. Lina combo, BKB-piercing stuns, hexes, etc.). Satanic is more survivability/sustainability in situations where you actually get time to autoattack and fight back (e.g. enemy carry you have to manfight against).
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On July 28 2015 21:02 Deep Cocoa wrote:
Forgive me if this was discussed already I looked for it in thread, but is agh's just not worth it on this hero? I haven't built it a single time and haven't really missed it in my experience. Seems that gold is better spent on damage and such.
I would consider aghs in two (and a half) situations:
1) As a 7th or 8th slot, where it's used for global influence but is never in my inventory outside the fountain.
1b) As a 7th slot provided by an Alchemist.
2) At least three of my teammates have abandoned, so that I need to be able to push two lanes at once or die to split-push.
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If 3 or 4 of my teammates have abandoned, I no longer consider it a good use of my time to farm an aghs and try to win
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Which boots are you guys going these days?
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SoCal8910 Posts
vs the heroes in the metagame ATM, treads for some extra stats and to tread switch while using rocket barrage
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Tread switch is massively overrated. Judge whether you need the MS or the HP. You probably want the former most of the times.
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I'm with both of you. The early HP helps a lot. Was watching Illidan last night and he would go phase into sange, presumably to help with the durability, but that locks you into an SnY straight away.
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SoCal8910 Posts
On July 31 2015 17:05 DucK- wrote:
Tread switch is massively overrated. Judge whether you need the MS or the HP. You probably want the former most of the times.
lol tread switch is absolutely not overrated
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United States47024 Posts
On August 01 2015 01:04 BluemoonSC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2015 17:05 DucK- wrote:
Tread switch is massively overrated. Judge whether you need the MS or the HP. You probably want the former most of the times. lol tread switch is absolutely not overrated
It is in the sense that it's never actually the primary motivating factor for buying Treads on heroes that buy it (even though it is a significant benefit of doing so), despite the fact that it's ubiquitously cited as such by people who don't actually know why you buy Treads on those heroes.
Treads vs. Phase banks heavily on whether you need the extra manfighting ability (which Treads is definitely superior for), or an extra 144 damage on Flak Cannon. A lot of the problem heroes that Gyro is going against at TI really demand that manfighting strength, but that's not always the case, especially in pubs.
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SoCal8910 Posts
if it is a significant benefit, how can it be called overrated?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 01 2015 01:44 BluemoonSC wrote:
if it is a significant benefit, how can it be called overrated?
Because certain people treat it like it's better than it is.It is good, but not THAT good.
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On August 01 2015 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2015 01:44 BluemoonSC wrote:
if it is a significant benefit, how can it be called overrated? Because certain people treat it like it's better than it is.It is good, but not THAT good.
When it is the single biggest factor in determining whether or not you need to go back to base for mana during your farming 7-18 minutes then yes, yes it is that big of a deal.
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United States47024 Posts
Well, no, lack of Treads swap shouldn't ever mean the difference between going home and not. The mana savings aren't that aggressive. It's just going to affect the number of clarities you send yourself.
Significant, but again, not actually the primary motivating factor in your boot choice.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 01 2015 05:05 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2015 02:04 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 01 2015 01:44 BluemoonSC wrote:
if it is a significant benefit, how can it be called overrated? Because certain people treat it like it's better than it is.It is good, but not THAT good. When it is the single biggest factor in determining whether or not you need to go back to base for mana during your farming 7-18 minutes then yes, yes it is that big of a deal.
If you actively use rocket barrage for farming, you'll need to send out clarities regularly tread swap or not. And if you don't use it (farming with dominator creep, or just using flak as farming tool), treads win on DPS value over phase, once again, tread swapping or not.
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I only find tread swap to be a reason to choose them if I have a bottle. Using the bottle cancels phase and you have a pretty consistent boost to each bottle charge from swapping to agi. Gyro isn't really a common bottle hero so it doesn't factor into my mind much, the HP is the big reason but his awful range and ability to chase with barrage is a reason to get phase. The bottle/treads thing is why I typically get treads on SF/Puck.
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If you're on any typical phase boots hero it's perfectly fine to get treads instead if you need the HP. 171hp is pretty good and more items will add to that.
It's honestly that simple to me, Tread switching should come natural to any hero you play with treads.
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You have to look into context. Does Gyro desperately need the increased mana pool? Does Tread Switching make a world of difference to his mana usage? The answer is no. I dare say that Tread Switch has no influence to your decision to go Treads over Phase on Gyro. It is good, and should be treated as a bonus for the hero.
You could view it from the angle of MKB on heroes. Sure the damage is important, but you only get MKB for the True Strike. Nerf MKB's damage, and it still wouldn't affect your decision to get MKB.
The main reasons to get Treads is simply 1) Attack Speed and 2) 171 HP. The 3rd reason which is Tread Switching, only applies to certain heroes like Storm and other solo mid heroes that truly benefit from it. Gyro certainly isn't one of those heroes.
Why I say Tread Switching is overrated is because many people are justifying Treads pick up for the wrong reason.
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The main perk of phase boots, the reason why I buy them over power treads, is the Rocket Barrage -> Phase active -> Rocket Barrage combo for chasing.
Also, Phase Boots only add 90 damage to a full flak combo over Treads, since you can switch to Agi mode during the flakdown.
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people who say tread switching is the reason you go tread probably buys dumbells and use them as door stoppers
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If i'm offlane gyro and I hit 6 what should I be doing? Immediately looking for a kill with my ulti, farming jungle, what? Is maxing q and e always preferred over w in any lane? Seems like the thing now is phase>aquila>hod>sny(sange first??) and then what?
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