Ability Draft Tier List - Page 2

On May 26 2014 04:24 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Fury Swipes isn't on the range pick up list? it's so good on a ranged hero.

I'm not really sure what you mean by dragon form being bugged. I don't think it is 'bugged' in that I am sure it works by adding the effect and giving the extra range to all heros

On May 26 2014 04:28 TheYango wrote:

Technically its a bug because Elder Dragon Form is a transformation skill, meaning it's supposed to change your base stats to those of the Dragon unit, rather than just adding to yours by whatever amount DK gets.

One question is how does Elder Dragon Form modify movespeed for heroes that don't have 290 base MS? Does it add 25 MS or does it set their MS to 315?

On May 26 2014 04:18 SKC wrote:
Elder Dragon Form is bugged in a lot of melee heroes because they don't have a ranged projectile speed iirc, so their attacks don't move and stick to a place in the map. It's a gamble if you pick it for a melee, and not that gamebreaking for most of them anyway. Same thing with Glaives from Luna.

Liquid Fire is ranged in melee like other orbs, I'm not sure what you mean. It's a no mana cost ranged skill and amazing for heroes that don't have mana to support two skills.

Fake ranged characters work like melee, so Vlads lifesteal, Basher and OoV are better, etc.

On May 26 2014 04:39 LSB wrote:

Liquid Fire lets you attack as a ranged hero? Still, it isn't as good as a proper orb since you can only use it every 4 seconds
I'll demote take aim to a A as melee, I was too scared to test it out with orbs.

On May 26 2014 04:43 SKC wrote:

It's better than some orbs like Glaives of Wisdom and Arcane Orb very often. The bonus are much better and it doesn't cost mana. For harassment you don't need to attack all the time and if you have something like Glaives you will spend too much mana if you use it too freely anyway. I may even take it over Poison Attack if I'm not a carry and in a shitty int body like Mortred, 20 mana is brutal. It's pretty damn good if you try it. It adds 150 damage on level 4 every 5 seconds in an Aoe.

On May 26 2014 04:43 SKC wrote:

It's better than some orbs like Glaives of Wisdom and Arcane Orb very often. The bonus are much better and it doesn't cost mana. For harassment you don't need to attack all the time and if you have something like Glaives you will spend too much mana if you use it too freely anyway. I may even take it over Poison Attack if I'm not a carry and in a shitty int body like Mortred, 20 mana is brutal. It's pretty damn good if you try it. It adds 150 damage on level 4 every 5 seconds in an Aoe.

On May 26 2014 04:55 LSB wrote:

I'd much rather have poison attack. Liquid fire doesn't solve fact that as a melee hero you can be kited and have to be very close to the enemy to attack them. You might need to buy more stat giving items, but drums should work pretty well.

I'll at least rate it at B, it's still a solid skill but I don't see myself prioritizing it that early, I'll see if I can pick it up in some Ability draft games and test it out since I haven't used it myself and it's more based on my friends experiences with it

On May 26 2014 05:03 SKC wrote:

Being kited is an issue for carries, not supportive characters. If you carry is being kited it's often an issue with the whole draft. Depends a lot on the pool. Poison Attack is the better skill the vast majority of the time, but there are still situations I would pick Liquid Fire over it, like I said if you have something like a Bloodseeker with Liquid Fire + Magic Missile + an ult that spends a reasonable amount of mana. But this is mostly theorycrafting, in an actual game you choice will more often be something like Liquid Fire vs Brain Sap or Ice Path.

On May 26 2014 04:57 Fumanchu wrote:


Poison Attack is vastly superior, it's not even close. The only upside of taking liquid fire over poison attack is that you can target buildings.

On May 26 2014 05:27 Fumanchu wrote:
Grow vs Fury swipes is actually debatable depending on the situation. I really don't want to come off as a condescending ass here, but there are no situations in which you should take LF over PA unless you are dominantly a pushing hero. The mana cost isn't a huge drawback even on low int gain heroes, unless you are quite new to the game.

Even though the impact of both spells drop off the later the game goes on, PA still retains value through its 40% slow.

On May 26 2014 05:32 SKC wrote:

On a lot of heroes you want to be able to use you ability twice early game. Like leveling stats on Leoric or Sven. Poison Attack means you can't do that. Liquid Fire is free. I don't think I've ever had to choose between them, I'm just saying a lot of people underestimate the LF in the lanem and in this mode winning lanes win games. Glaives vs Liquid Fire would be a much fairer match up, but I still think there are situations where Liquid Fire would be better than Poison Attack.

Either way comparing orbs isn't even that useful in actual games. 99% of the time the choice is between an orb and another type of skill.

On May 26 2014 17:43 rabidch wrote:
you forgot sticky + rot, which makes rot not F (its more like D, situational anyway)

On May 26 2014 19:39 goody153 wrote:

sticky + quell spray works as well

On May 26 2014 20:16 rabidch wrote:

works, but its not really worth mentioning versus rot. rot ticks every 0.2 seconds, which makes every stack do 50/75/100/125 damage per second, which is utterly ridiculous.