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Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
October 17 2014 19:28 GMT
#19461
If its a 2v2 lane, I think it is often quite bad to leave the lane. Not that you should never do it, but ya there are a LOT of situations where you should not I think.
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-17 19:43:41
October 17 2014 19:42 GMT
#19462
Depends on the hero matchup and player's skill/comfort with 1v2 farming, or just not dying while you are gone for 20 seconds to stack. Often I will just ask the carry if it's OK for me to go roam. If they say no then just sit in lane and babysit them until they can stand on their own.
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Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
October 17 2014 21:29 GMT
#19463
If I stack with some friends, I generally make my own call on when to leave the lane. Is the small camp up and he can get a few last hits when our lane opponents think I'm in the woods I don't mind leaving the lane if it is to ward or put pressure on another lane to ensure that lane winning.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
October 18 2014 04:19 GMT
#19464
I usually practice heroes I am not comfortable with in unranked but the level of competition is a joke compared to my usual ranked matches. How long will it take to move me up? Currently I'm practicing carries and getting pretty high kda, if that helps.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
October 18 2014 04:38 GMT
#19465
unranked has hidden MMR which is different from your ranked/visible mmr.
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Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
October 18 2014 05:45 GMT
#19466
Anyone know how the 'fail to ready up' system works when looking for a game? I failed to ready up just then and it said i was prevent from matchmaking for 30 minutes. I've never had it that long before. I failed to ready up one before that today, but I hadn't abandoned any games in ages. Does the penalty increase from 5 minutes to 30 minutes if you do fail to ready up twice in a day? Seems pretty severe, considering I couldn't queue even queue for unranked.
njt7
Profile Joined August 2012
Sweden769 Posts
October 18 2014 09:53 GMT
#19467
On October 18 2014 13:19 FHDH wrote:
I usually practice heroes I am not comfortable with in unranked but the level of competition is a joke compared to my usual ranked matches. How long will it take to move me up? Currently I'm practicing carries and getting pretty high kda, if that helps.


This question is hard to answer when I dont know anything about your skills. Sure you will be playing your less comfortable heroes but if you are a human of average intelligence you will probably not play that much worse then you do with your comfortable heroes in ranked. I would assume that the more you win in unranked the worse teammates you get and the better your opponent will become. All this is an assumption that you are ahead of the average dota player and I also assume that the majority of players that is ahead of the average dota players will be playing ranked dota.

This leads to the assumption that you will be an anomaly in unranked and the algorithm will fix this by giving you lesser teammates to achieve an even game. Not saying that your games will ever become hard in unranked but they should become harder if you keep winning. In the end I am just guessing.

One other thing to note is that playing carries is probably the easiest way of playing unranked as in these games people care less about the result usually giving you more time for killing creeps and chosing your engagements.
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nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 10:57:05
October 18 2014 10:55 GMT
#19468
On October 18 2014 14:45 Ryder. wrote:
Anyone know how the 'fail to ready up' system works when looking for a game? I failed to ready up just then and it said i was prevent from matchmaking for 30 minutes. I've never had it that long before. I failed to ready up one before that today, but I hadn't abandoned any games in ages. Does the penalty increase from 5 minutes to 30 minutes if you do fail to ready up twice in a day? Seems pretty severe, considering I couldn't queue even queue for unranked.

It has been increased because it was not that uncommon to get 3/4 failed queues in a row before. Good change imo. Let's assume each failed queue takes 2 minutes to each other players, that's a total of 36 minutes more waiting in queue for other players. You don't lose more time than you made them lost.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
October 18 2014 12:24 GMT
#19469
On October 18 2014 19:55 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 14:45 Ryder. wrote:
Anyone know how the 'fail to ready up' system works when looking for a game? I failed to ready up just then and it said i was prevent from matchmaking for 30 minutes. I've never had it that long before. I failed to ready up one before that today, but I hadn't abandoned any games in ages. Does the penalty increase from 5 minutes to 30 minutes if you do fail to ready up twice in a day? Seems pretty severe, considering I couldn't queue even queue for unranked.

It has been increased because it was not that uncommon to get 3/4 failed queues in a row before. Good change imo. Let's assume each failed queue takes 2 minutes to each other players, that's a total of 36 minutes more waiting in queue for other players. You don't lose more time than you made them lost.

Where did you get 36 minutes more waiting from? :s

I was more asking if anyone knew exactly how it worked anyway.
nomel
Profile Joined September 2010
115 Posts
October 18 2014 13:01 GMT
#19470
When people go QW Invoker, why would you not at least get one point in E after maxing W? The four second disarm from Deafening blast is useful pretty much whatever the opponent's lineup. And after maxing W, you will have points in Q too, meaning you get a decent stun duration.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8943 Posts
October 18 2014 13:29 GMT
#19471
who doesnt get e after maxing w?
some get it even before they max w. if you see someone who literally only goes qw until both are maxed before getting any e, they are bad
Jinxed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States6450 Posts
October 18 2014 13:34 GMT
#19472
On October 18 2014 14:45 Ryder. wrote:
Anyone know how the 'fail to ready up' system works when looking for a game? I failed to ready up just then and it said i was prevent from matchmaking for 30 minutes. I've never had it that long before. I failed to ready up one before that today, but I hadn't abandoned any games in ages. Does the penalty increase from 5 minutes to 30 minutes if you do fail to ready up twice in a day? Seems pretty severe, considering I couldn't queue even queue for unranked.

I always had assumed it was two in a row, not two in a day. But yeah, if you fail twice it is a 30 minute cooldown.
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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
October 18 2014 14:00 GMT
#19473
Is Skywrath mage supposed to have a specific accent?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
October 18 2014 16:10 GMT
#19474
On October 18 2014 23:00 Mafe wrote:
Is Skywrath mage supposed to have a specific accent?

I say Transylvanian, but that's just me
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nomel
Profile Joined September 2010
115 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-18 17:10:01
October 18 2014 17:04 GMT
#19475
On October 18 2014 22:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:
who doesnt get e after maxing w?
some get it even before they max w. if you see someone who literally only goes qw until both are maxed before getting any e, they are bad


Well I've seen this in professional play. I asked the question after seeing this (going for more Q after max W).
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 18 2014 17:11 GMT
#19476
On October 18 2014 19:55 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 14:45 Ryder. wrote:
Anyone know how the 'fail to ready up' system works when looking for a game? I failed to ready up just then and it said i was prevent from matchmaking for 30 minutes. I've never had it that long before. I failed to ready up one before that today, but I hadn't abandoned any games in ages. Does the penalty increase from 5 minutes to 30 minutes if you do fail to ready up twice in a day? Seems pretty severe, considering I couldn't queue even queue for unranked.

It has been increased because it was not that uncommon to get 3/4 failed queues in a row before. Good change imo. Let's assume each failed queue takes 2 minutes to each other players, that's a total of 36 minutes more waiting in queue for other players. You don't lose more time than you made them lost.

I'm pretty sure it was increased so that it would be harder for people to abuse matchmaking by queuing up vs themselves and intentionally feeding. Either way, I'm pretty sure it goes 2 min -> 10 min -> 30 min or something like that.
:)
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8943 Posts
October 19 2014 00:05 GMT
#19477
On October 19 2014 02:04 nomel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2014 22:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:
who doesnt get e after maxing w?
some get it even before they max w. if you see someone who literally only goes qw until both are maxed before getting any e, they are bad


Well I've seen this in professional play. I asked the question after seeing this (going for more Q after max W).

id be interested to see this game. going qw until 4 points in q and max wex is not unheard of, but if youre getting 5,6 or 7 points in quas without getting even a single point in exort then there is something wrong
GiveMeYourtTots
Profile Joined May 2014
990 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 03:38:30
October 19 2014 03:37 GMT
#19478
When should I skip midas? I'm starting to think I'm getting addicted to this item. It's getting to the point where I'm almost always getting, like I can't play without not buying it. Yesterday I bought it on clockwerk because for some reason my team wanted me to go mid. I buy it on supports too, bought it cm the other day and got super farmed for a support. On some heroes I buy it pretty much every time I play that hero, like SF, invoker, luna and on others it depends if I get really good farm then I might get it on heroes like ck and weaver. Hell sometimes I get it even thought I had a terrible laning phase. Buy midas because I got farm, bought midas because i got bad farm and need to catch up.

The funny thing is that it somehow seems to work, when I bought it on cm i got bkb agha and did so much damage. I think one reason might be because of the new patch and that almost every game goes late so having the extra lvls as well as gold makes it worth buying it.
ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-19 04:53:27
October 19 2014 04:38 GMT
#19479
On October 19 2014 12:37 GiveMeYourtTots wrote:
When should I skip midas? I'm starting to think I'm getting addicted to this item. It's getting to the point where I'm almost always getting, like I can't play without not buying it. Yesterday I bought it on clockwerk because for some reason my team wanted me to go mid. I buy it on supports too, bought it cm the other day and got super farmed for a support. On some heroes I buy it pretty much every time I play that hero, like SF, invoker, luna and on others it depends if I get really good farm then I might get it on heroes like ck and weaver. Hell sometimes I get it even thought I had a terrible laning phase. Buy midas because I got farm, bought midas because i got bad farm and need to catch up.

The funny thing is that it somehow seems to work, when I bought it on cm i got bkb agha and did so much damage. I think one reason might be because of the new patch and that almost every game goes late so having the extra lvls as well as gold makes it worth buying it.

idk but i skip it almost every game, if i ever get it then its on semi-carries so i can midas stuff inbetween ganks or fights or supports that needs lots of xp
also i think i rarely lose vs midas buyers, bcoz i tend to punish ppl with brownboots and a midas rly rly hard.
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nomel
Profile Joined September 2010
115 Posts
October 19 2014 06:54 GMT
#19480
On October 19 2014 09:05 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2014 02:04 nomel wrote:
On October 18 2014 22:29 evilfatsh1t wrote:
who doesnt get e after maxing w?
some get it even before they max w. if you see someone who literally only goes qw until both are maxed before getting any e, they are bad


Well I've seen this in professional play. I asked the question after seeing this (going for more Q after max W).

id be interested to see this game. going qw until 4 points in q and max wex is not unheard of, but if youre getting 5,6 or 7 points in quas without getting even a single point in exort then there is something wrong


I went back and checked. The last game I saw this was IAP vs. Zephyr (The Summit), where the Invoker was playing for IAP. So, granted, this is perhaps not the highest level of play and does not serve as case to generalize from.

When I go QW, I might max W first, but I leave Q alone at some point. I guess lots of Q means you get a long duration cold snap (many instances = long chain disable).
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